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with your host Jimmy Church on the game

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raise Hobbs I'm your host Jimmy Church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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Mike ricksecker is here for Halloween

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weekend I had to get trimmed up I was

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looking a little a little shabby little

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you can follow us in the sandbox f2b and

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conscious life Expo this February 10th

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heart now is the talent show and hosting

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expo.com now uh this special event

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one day huge event and now you can

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because this is an award ceremony all

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the links for that are below go on a

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the 14th links are below and uh there

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uh it's all Halloween it's all Halloween

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bunch of uh my friends and hosts over at

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The X uh for the rest of the month

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originate here from the bunker got race

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Hobbs I've got Margie k a bunch of

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special guests we're going to be doing

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some ghost hunting everything live and

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October 31st that's a Monday all right

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now where am I at the links for

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everything below just click you can

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uh no Jimmy I'm not the celebrity Sarah

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Anne is oh that's funny

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that's funny there's Stephen oh and

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at uh the James Fox movie premiere she

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in front of us Olivia what's going on oh

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uh where am I and sandbox is hashtag f2b

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officials in Alaska have canceled this

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year's snow crab fishing season in the

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Bering Sea citing extremely low

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population levels the move is a blow to

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of Alaska's economy and Global source of

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seafood and comes after a massive and

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unexplained crash in the crab population

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billion crabs have just disappeared

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colder Waters and they have left where

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incredible a new analysis now check this

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analysis of more than 1500 Supernova

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have put fresh Precision on measurements

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of the dark matter and dark energy more

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the remaining third 33 percent is made

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see it we don't know what it is because

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gravitational effects the regular matter

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five percent of the universe the team's

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analysis called Pantheon Plus

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light that may be the most powerful

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absolutely incredible incredible let's

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get this show cracking on this day in

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sad day actually 1982

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John DeLorean is arrested and charged

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55 pounds of cocaine

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he was later acquitted of the drug

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charges in August of 1984. I'll never

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forget watching the the the video this

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was a sting operation this is a setup

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this was a bust

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and uh and watching this go down and I

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think what's his name the boxing

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promoter the dude with the hair

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can't think of his name right now he was

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there too

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it was it was like a crazy town couldn't

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believe that video and uh turned out to

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be a setup uh but that wasn't the end of

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his his legal troubles and and DeLorean

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and the car company and and everything

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a friend that owned one uh drove it and

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uh I'm a big car guy and watching him go

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down like that it just wasn't right but

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it did happen on this day in 1982. all

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I vetted this fader fact today

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yeah okay are you ready

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King Henry VIII of England

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and check it out for yourself

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I'm going to leave the description of

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there's Sarah and Sarah Anne is a rock

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star apparently okay there you go

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all right Ken priest man Ken you gotta

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stop with the food man

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ah what is that oh it's crab it's butter

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nice all right where am I at what am I

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doing

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tonight very special guest Mike

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ricksecker is here it's Halloween night

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two and uh Mike is a show host he's an

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author

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um he's a he's a medium Ogle and he's

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out there getting it done and he's also

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a host over here on the X and uh tonight

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is Halloween night two with Mike

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ricksecker we're going to be talking

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about well I kind of called the show

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Halloween Shadow People yeah I kind of

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dig it it's gonna be a good show tonight

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tomorrow night's another fader night

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with open lines all night long all right

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now it's time for me to hit this

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you know what I did before uh the show

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tonight

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um River Moon

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just sent me I'm guessing

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uh it's a five pound bag might be ten I

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don't know it's like this tall

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this wide like this big bag and uh you

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know I've got these canisters in my

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little Coffee corner and

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needed to refill it so I had to open up

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that I put this bag down and see them

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boom plop

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and and I open it up and I was literally

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pouring coffee like this with the bag 10

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yeah it was pretty cool get your own

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right now

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all right

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so

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what do we know

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think about that question

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what do we know

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well

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we know a lot

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actually

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you know we figured some things out like

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you know uh

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uh you're getting sick

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we find out you know we've developed

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microscopes and we figure out viruses

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things like that right got that figured

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out penicillin good move you know we got

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that figured out we we know it a lot

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actually

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but the real stuff

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I mean the basics

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we don't know nothing

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we don't

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I talk about this a lot but I often

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wonder

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um here we have the ability to look up

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to the stars and think about the

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universe and what's out there right we

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we can see it

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dude do dogs think about that stuff

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you know Dolphins very smart right

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they can't see space do you know they

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don't have the opportunity to ponder

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that their world is their universe is

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the oceans Water right

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and so they don't have that opportunity

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we do

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and so we we know a lot and we are able

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to think about things but

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we really don't know nothing

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I mean the basic stuff and when I say

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the basics I mean really the simple

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things

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like

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God I've got such a demented mind

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but things like and we I was just

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talking about dark matter and dark

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energy right and and the latest news and

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you read the headlines

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the news was presented to me today by

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Renee and I had already thought about

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and started writing uh what I was going

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to do today uh about us not knowing

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anything and then I get the and and what

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that was going to be about I get the

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news in from Renee and it said exactly

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what I'm talking about right now okay so

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dark matter Dark Energy 66 5 matter but

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actually we don't know what it is we

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can't see it we can't tell we don't know

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we don't know anything about that's

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exactly my point

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the very basic of the basics

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you know we we honestly don't know what

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makes up the vast majority of the

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universe

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we have no idea

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and because of that we go well

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[Music]

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um

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let's call it dark matter

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that's it

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it's the end of the discussion we don't

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know anything about it we don't know

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what let's just call it dark matter and

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call it a day

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it's crazy

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we know that our universe is expanding

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we know this it's faster and faster

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right

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but we don't know

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the force behind it or why

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so

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we call it dark energy

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then of story well what is it Stark

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energy well how's that don't know

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can you see it no can you imagine nah

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not really

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oh what's up it's dark energy man and it

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that that's it they just leave it right

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there because

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we don't know

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now check this out

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let me explain it to you like this let's

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say

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I gotta I gotta recline my chair I'm

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getting fired up let's say you go out in

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your backyard all right and you pick up

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something you pick up a ball

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I don't have a ball in here but you pick

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up a ball

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foreign

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you know what's going to happen you know

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that it's going to go up it's going to

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slow down it's going to lose speed and

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it's going to come back to earth it's

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going to hit the ground

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simple right

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we all know this

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now

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Imagine This

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let's say you take the same ball

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you go out in your backyard

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and you throw it again

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but this time

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faster and faster

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disappearing in the sky

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and just continues blazing

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through space

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eventually it's faster than the speed of

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light

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and it goes on forever

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gone

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now

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if this actually happened

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and we could do that I think that we

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would try to find out what the heck is

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going on

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right because that would be pretty cool

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and we would want answers we would try

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to figure it out well that's exactly

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what is going on with our universe right

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now

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it's expensive it's it's going we don't

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know why

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we don't know what's causing it the

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opposite is what we thought was

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happening with the universe my first

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scenario you take a ball in the backyard

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you throw it it slows down gravity takes

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over

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it hits the dirt we thought that that's

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what was going on with the universe that

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gravity was going to take over right

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that big bang it was going to expand

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just like the ball in your backyard it's

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going to slow down gravity is going to

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take over and bring it all back right

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that's not what's happening the universe

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is just washed and is continuing faster

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and faster just imagine if that's what

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was happening with the ball in the

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backyard

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we would try to figure that out

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we don't know

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the force is the force is is for is

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literally making things go so fast

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that it is exceeding

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exceeding the speed of light

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it's as if

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the galaxies

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on the edge of everything are dropping

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off the edge of a cliff and disappearing

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and we don't know why

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and it's also the same thing with the

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the very small the smallest of the small

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the basics of the basics where

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everything starts honestly

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the basics of the basics we just don't

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have any idea sure we can guess we can

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theorize we can ponder but we can't see

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any of it the math gets wonky if you

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push it too far and for us

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we know it's there we know what's

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happening we know particles are doing

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amazing things but we just don't know

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why or how

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but I have the answer

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I know who does

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Mother Nature

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that's right

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nature nature understands the quantum

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perfectly

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everything just knows what to do

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from the smallest of particles

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smallest of particles spiraling out

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from

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table and chair

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to cats and dogs to planets and stars to

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the galaxies and the universe

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nature knows what's going on

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we don't

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I'm your own stupid church this is Fade

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to Black it's all Halloween for the rest

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of the month

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every single night tonight is Halloween

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night too Our Guest is Mike ricksecker

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we're going to be talking about Channel

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people and the Paranormal the

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supernatural his research what's going

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on he's an author he's a show host he's

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got a grip I love it when Mike is with

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00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,360
us tomorrow night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long I'm your

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host Jimmy church this is Fade to Black

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it's going to be a great night great

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conversation stay right there I'll be

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back after this short break and don't

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we know nothing

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of you

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is with us

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night two of our two weeks of Halloween

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series he's appeared on multiple

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shows and of course

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he currently hosts connecting the

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Universe on Friday nights right here on

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kunx the X I would like to welcome back

642
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:33,960
to fade to black the one and only Mike

643
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:37,920
brookseeker Mike Jimmy hi

644
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:39,720
hi how you doing tonight

645
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,060
happy Halloween you know you know what

646
00:38:47,770 --> 00:38:44,400
you know what's great about having you

647
00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:47,780
on the show is I think our community

648
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,420
needs to have an NSA special secret

649
00:38:56,089 --> 00:38:54,000
agent you know infiltrating the

650
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,099
community and coming in here and

651
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:59,280
spreading you know his propaganda and uh

652
00:39:04,089 --> 00:39:01,980
absolutely yeah yeah man in Black right

653
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:04,099
I always thought about that before yeah

654
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,560
you know you got that going for you

655
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:09,720
um but uh welcome back my friend it's uh

656
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,060
good to see you and and and and good to

657
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:14,700
hear your voice yeah I likewise yeah and

658
00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:17,220
and happy Halloween uh but before we get

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00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:18,359
started

660
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:21,000
um we were talking uh before the show

661
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:25,320
tonight uh about Egypt and uh and then

662
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:29,940
this popped up uh uh in the chat like 15

663
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,040
minutes ago but but here you go this is

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00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:35,760
I gotta go to Egypt right and right and

665
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,460
right we have a tour in February

666
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:40,800
Stargates of ancient Egypt come on along

667
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:44,400
yeah I I I highly recommend it now

668
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:46,980
here's the thing and and everybody go

669
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:49,859
Mike's links are below and you can check

670
00:39:52,569 --> 00:39:51,900
out his tour

671
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,579
um

672
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:54,800
here's the deal

673
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,339
we've all uh do our research we're all

674
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:01,440
fascinating King Tut's golden you know

675
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:03,660
it and there's just things that have

676
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,700
attracted all of us the Great Pyramid in

677
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,640
these things uh the wonders of Egypt and

678
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:11,339
and you just get enveloped in it

679
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:14,960
but and you did the same thing but

680
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:19,440
where you're at what your expectations

681
00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:21,480
um when you got to Egypt and started to

682
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,660
experience it uh what happened I mean

683
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:26,460
how did you feel did it meet your

684
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:28,740
expectations yeah you know it's it's

685
00:40:37,150 --> 00:40:33,359
funny Jimmy because I I went into that

686
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:37,160
Egypt tour expecting to be blown away

687
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:40,320
and honestly it blew away those

688
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:43,500
expectations so I it was like doubly

689
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:46,619
being blown away yeah it's it's a

690
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,940
magical place you know we talked about

691
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:49,680
that before the show you know you're

692
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,660
you're stepping and walking where the

693
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:53,339
Ancients walked you're climbing through

694
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:55,800
the pyramids you know in and out of

695
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:57,720
these you know different shafts we

696
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:01,020
talked about the pyramid and

697
00:41:04,970 --> 00:41:02,940
how uh you know that was a little bit of

698
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:04,980
a challenge but you know you feel that

699
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,760
energy uh we were there last year in the

700
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:11,040
Great Pyramid on the summer solstice

701
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,079
which was the renewal of the Kepler

702
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,640
cycle and feeling the energy because

703
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:16,800
just our little group had two hours to

704
00:41:22,490 --> 00:41:20,040
ourselves inside the Great Pyramid and

705
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:22,500
you could absolutely feel it but then

706
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:24,900
you know you're taking a look around and

707
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,520
we've heard a lot of the different

708
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:28,680
alternative theories to to the timeline

709
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,060
and some of the different secrets and

710
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:32,400
things like that and there's a lot of

711
00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:33,839
great research that's been done on that

712
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,700
you can watch documentaries read books

713
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:37,440
and when you look around you see a lot

714
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:40,320
of that stuff but then there's more that

715
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:42,300
you're you're seeing and learning and

716
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,040
experiencing that other people haven't

717
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,599
mentioned yet you're like oh there's

718
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:47,280
something oh there's something right

719
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:50,280
yeah it's amazing it's it's endless it's

720
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:52,440
like everywhere you look every minute of

721
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:55,740
the day uh is something and it's it's so

722
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:57,240
cinematic

723
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:59,220
um but what surprised you the most what

724
00:42:03,970 --> 00:42:00,839
was the one thing

725
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:03,980
um I'm still processing all of it

726
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:07,020
but you know looking back what what was

727
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,060
the one thing that's you know that that

728
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,520
you weren't expecting

729
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:12,960
um well I already mentioned the the

730
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:14,220
Great Pyramid and there was something

731
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:17,880
about the the Coffer in there that um

732
00:42:22,010 --> 00:42:20,099
that I got a good Glimpse at that even

733
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,020
our tour guide Mohammed Ibrahim was you

734
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:24,420
know oh yeah he's amazing he's amazing

735
00:42:28,190 --> 00:42:26,579
that he's looking at my observation he's

736
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,200
like you know I never noticed that

737
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:30,000
before so it was like little things like

738
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:32,220
that or the petrification at the back of

739
00:42:36,829 --> 00:42:34,260
the niche within the Queen's chamber but

740
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:36,839
you know it really for me it was a lot

741
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,079
with the different temples like uh the

742
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:43,440
the how blue the ceilings of dundera are

743
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,680
uh oh my gosh could they seriously get

744
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:49,380
it that blue thousands of years ago and

745
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,579
it's still there

746
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,560
I mean things you know little things

747
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:55,200
like that or you know taking a look at

748
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:59,160
abados and how important that site must

749
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:01,500
have been for I mean sure we talk about

750
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:05,220
the the hieroglyphs that uh you know may

751
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:07,319
show different things like you know a

752
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:11,040
helicopterology yeah yeah technology but

753
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,339
as you venture inside you see different

754
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:16,400
chambers that are labeled as Stargates

755
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:19,800
you see a one of the most massive

756
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:22,859
kingsless on record you go into chambers

757
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:24,660
that have these light shafts you just

758
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:26,099
stand under you can actually catch the

759
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:28,200
light with your hands and then back

760
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,800
behind the uh behind seti's Temple is

761
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:33,780
the ocerion which is something that's

762
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,300
even far more ancient and people really

763
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,579
don't even have an idea as to what that

764
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:41,040
is except there's another secret waiting

765
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:42,599
to be discovered yeah you know what's

766
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:47,220
funny about the Assyrian is uh uh they

767
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:48,020
they

768
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:52,020
call it seti the first first because

769
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:55,500
seti the first temple is is over here

770
00:44:02,690 --> 00:43:57,960
but it's like a hundred feet above it

771
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:02,700
right and and it it is it's no it's not

772
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,240
it's not it it it's just simply not and

773
00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:09,599
uh you can see the Earth the love the

774
00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:12,980
Aging right that the the Syrian is is

775
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,500
probably thousands of years older uh

776
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:18,480
than the the Temple of seti the first

777
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:19,800
and

778
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:22,920
um now I wanted to to say that this is

779
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:25,980
two things not related to Temples or

780
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:28,140
anything the two things that blew me

781
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,780
away that I wasn't expecting and people

782
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:33,420
really don't talk about uh the first

783
00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:34,440
thing

784
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:43,730
was not with no no no no no no no and uh

785
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:46,680
it is it is it's the biggest city in the

786
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:49,079
world and and it's the oldest right it's

787
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:53,579
5 000 years old and it is so big when

788
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,859
you're flying over it and you just go

789
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:57,720
and go and you're looking at the window

790
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:00,119
you're like is this gonna end you know

791
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:02,940
and uh and and you experience I was not

792
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:05,880
I was not prepared it was wonderful but

793
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,520
I did I was not prepared for that and

794
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,800
the second thing is that people just

795
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,420
don't talk about and I'm going to be

796
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:14,400
very vocal about this for a very long

797
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,180
time

798
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:19,140
is how nice possible and happy the

799
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:20,520
people are

800
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,079
everybody is smiling everybody the

801
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:27,359
police the Army the bus drivers that the

802
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:30,480
the EV everybody that you encounter

803
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,319
there is happy so hospitable so

804
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:36,960
hospitable it's an incredible experience

805
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:38,760
you know you come back to the United

806
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:41,160
States and you're dealing with this

807
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:42,420
attitude you're like man this place

808
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,380
sucks man and and Egypt has had 5 000

809
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:48,540
years to figure out what it is to be a

810
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:50,040
human being and how to treat other

811
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,740
people and it was something that I

812
00:45:56,109 --> 00:45:55,200
didn't expect it was it made the whole

813
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:56,119
trip

814
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:00,599
uh so exceptional uh the people of Egypt

815
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,599
are just just beautiful they're so

816
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:05,640
welcoming it's it's amazing yeah I

817
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,060
totally agree yeah I wasn't expecting it

818
00:46:14,329 --> 00:46:11,040
um and here's okay

819
00:46:16,970 --> 00:46:14,339
um let's stay on Egypt for a second

820
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:16,980
um uh you brought up dandera and and the

821
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:21,119
blue stealings yes correct mind flowing

822
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:24,660
but the temple is so big and then when

823
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,300
you step back and I don't know how many

824
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,800
pillars are in there I don't know how

825
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:30,800
many columns and rows and everything

826
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,000
every square inch of every surface in

827
00:46:43,210 --> 00:46:39,440
that Temple is inscribed and carved

828
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,220
floor to ceiling every everything yeah

829
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:44,880
and it's

830
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:49,319
stories tall you know 50 foot pillars

831
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:53,160
and and you just look and every think

832
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,040
about that how special was and that's

833
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,319
you know that's dedicated to the divine

834
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,240
feminine it's a feminine yeah it's a

835
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:02,160
temple at hathor yeah yeah yeah temple

836
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,240
of hathor and uh the the importance of

837
00:47:10,609 --> 00:47:08,460
it you know it's the symbology you get

838
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:10,619
that but you also get the spirituality

839
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,319
part of it and and how special of a

840
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,720
temple that was uh or that that it was

841
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,240
to them at that time and to have it so

842
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:20,880
well preserved it is just stunningly

843
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,640
beautiful man man man yeah and the

844
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:25,920
craftsmanship that would have that that

845
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:28,619
would have gone into that another thing

846
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:31,859
that shocked me about the temples

847
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,920
is how you you mentioned the the science

848
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:36,839
but I mean really the height

849
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,300
you know the the height I mean sure it's

850
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:41,700
a is a large massive footprint on the

851
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:43,020
ground but the height you're looking at

852
00:47:47,050 --> 00:47:45,180
how in the world did they did they

853
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,060
exactly

854
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:50,640
yeah and the uh the car was like you you

855
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,560
know you see hathor on top of every

856
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:54,240
single pillar and many of them have been

857
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:56,940
in the face but the you know the what's

858
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,980
remaining what's still there is

859
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:01,260
everything is perfectly symmetrical it's

860
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,900
like a carbon copy and you just have to

861
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:05,520
sit there and look at you know what kind

862
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,940
of technology did they have to go to be

863
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:10,319
able to carve these different things

864
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:12,900
it's not you know not these copper tools

865
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:14,700
that uh you know traditionalism

866
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,260
mainstream try to make you think no no

867
00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:18,900
uh they had other technology at their

868
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:21,660
disposal to make these so perfect so

869
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:24,540
perfect and and to stand uh the test of

870
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:26,339
time like that

871
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,720
um you know these temples are out

872
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:30,420
exposed to the elements right when rain

873
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:33,839
whatever earthquakes right anything that

874
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,200
anything natural there why and it's

875
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,079
it was like it was built yesterday it's

876
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,380
it's a mind-blowing experiment I had a

877
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:45,839
uh I don't use foul language on this

878
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:48,119
show but I'm going to use uh I had so

879
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:56,630
well what what's right she just it's

880
00:49:03,829 --> 00:48:59,880
crazy man it was it was just so much fun

881
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:03,839
um did you have uh uh any

882
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:06,599
any contact with uh Spirits or any

883
00:49:09,470 --> 00:49:07,859
entities

884
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:09,480
um and the reason why I asked number one

885
00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:11,960
it's Halloween but two

886
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:14,660
there must be

887
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:18,599
uh entities and powers and and things

888
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:21,180
and for just wandering the Sands of

889
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,160
Egypt and you know it's been doing it

890
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,960
for thousands and thousands of years did

891
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,839
you have uh anything special happen yeah

892
00:49:32,690 --> 00:49:30,180
I can't say that I had a uh an

893
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,700
interaction with like a specific entity

894
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:34,319
but I will say I definitely had some

895
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:35,940
spiritual moments there you know I I

896
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:39,180
could certainly feel the energy it was

897
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,099
definitely palpable I could feel that

898
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,280
things were around me from you know

899
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,160
other ages you know long since past and

900
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:48,720
and I'm a firm belief I'm one that's a

901
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:51,240
firm believer of you know time being

902
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:53,339
concurrent past present future all

903
00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:56,520
happening at the same time so I I firmly

904
00:50:01,250 --> 00:49:58,440
believe that I could feel the past still

905
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:01,260
playing out while I was there you know

906
00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:02,640
so I I didn't have a personal

907
00:50:08,809 --> 00:50:05,579
interaction with you know Ramses II or

908
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:08,819
anything like that but um definitely it

909
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:11,220
was a it was spiritually moving for me

910
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:12,780
the

911
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:23,520
spiritual I don't I don't know how to

912
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:27,780
explain it but there were many moments

913
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:29,940
at some of these temples where you know

914
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:33,420
I I had to like grab something you know

915
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:37,140
or I had to sit down and and just you

916
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,540
know calm down uh did you have moments

917
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:42,060
like that oh absolutely uh there were

918
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,220
there are so many things that were just

919
00:50:49,569 --> 00:50:47,280
mind-blowing to me you know I've done a

920
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:49,579
lot of work into you know the the

921
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:53,160
concept and idea of Stargates around the

922
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:56,220
world I've had classes on uh you know

923
00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:58,140
connecting the universe many times on

924
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:00,660
that before I even went to Egypt and you

925
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:03,540
know you see the idea of the uh the

926
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:05,460
spiral pattern signifying you know a

927
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:06,900
portal or Stargate or something like

928
00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:09,240
that you've seen a lot of the photos but

929
00:51:14,270 --> 00:51:11,819
then you go to Egypt and you're just in

930
00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:14,280
a museum and you're looking at this

931
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:17,099
piece pottery that you've never seen

932
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:19,079
before you've never seen a photo of it's

933
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,480
not been on any documentary anything

934
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,720
like that and there's the spiral pattern

935
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,359
and oh look there's an egg and you can

936
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:29,520
tell it's the cosmic egg and there's a

937
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,500
spiral pattern on it and it's just these

938
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:34,559
Eureka type moments

939
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,800
um you know to to symbolize this

940
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:40,020
different technology and and phenomena

941
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:41,640
that they were

942
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:48,119
then just you know the the technology at

943
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:49,800
the disposal to build these different

944
00:51:54,109 --> 00:51:52,380
things we're we're in um you know the

945
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:54,119
Cairo Museum we're taking a look at this

946
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,420
old uh sarcophagus that

947
00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:59,700
with this particular one at least they

948
00:52:05,150 --> 00:52:01,980
were carving the lid off of the

949
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:05,160
underside of the sarcophagus but they

950
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,980
stopped Midstream now again we've been

951
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,599
led to believe what they were using

952
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:12,000
either stone tools or copper tools to do

953
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:14,280
these and you're looking at it and it's

954
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,859
like wait a minute there was a saw blade

955
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:18,839
involved here because there's a slit

956
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:20,220
right down the back and then it stops

957
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,020
take a flashlight you're looking inside

958
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,680
and you can see the circular pattern of

959
00:52:30,890 --> 00:52:28,260
a circular saw right in the bottom right

960
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,900
and it just stops and you're looking at

961
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,640
that and and you're wondering okay this

962
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:35,520
is granite what in the world is going to

963
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:38,579
be able to cut this now my father he's a

964
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:40,980
tool and a dive maker by trade uh you

965
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:42,839
know he's a machinist he would build the

966
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:44,760
machines that would build the parts and

967
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,099
things like that so I take these photos

968
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,680
home to to my dad I'm like Dad

969
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:52,559
so tell me what would cut this and he's

970
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,119
looking at his like that's Granite right

971
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,819
yeah well

972
00:53:01,609 --> 00:52:59,460
um it's obviously a circular saw that

973
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,619
we're supposed to have he's like diamond

974
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,920
diamond tip saw right

975
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:05,940
which of course they were not supposed

976
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,619
to have so

977
00:53:12,170 --> 00:53:09,839
um so things like that just they've

978
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:12,180
really got my blood rushing did you uh

979
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:16,500
go to the Sarah PM yes okay now out of

980
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:19,980
uh out of all of the ginormous things

981
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,980
that are there and and it's all big it's

982
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:25,200
all beautiful and it's just one thing

983
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:28,740
after another right okay we get that but

984
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,260
the Sarah PM takes things to a whole

985
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:34,559
nother freaking level man and uh and

986
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:36,359
here's the thing that I that I wasn't

987
00:53:43,790 --> 00:53:41,760
expecting uh again too one is it's

988
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:43,800
literally the entrance is underneath

989
00:53:50,089 --> 00:53:47,220
sand dunes I wasn't I'm not expecting

990
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,099
that and you know you've been there and

991
00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:51,839
you know what I'm talking about you just

992
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,460
want okay we're going to the Sarah PM

993
00:53:58,930 --> 00:53:55,920
okay you're walking down this Sand Road

994
00:54:03,890 --> 00:53:58,940
Road around the corner down this hill

995
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:03,900
and down it it it's a ramp into the Dune

996
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:07,200
yeah you're like wait a minute and you

997
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:10,020
walk in and this isn't some crouching

998
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:14,160
little thing this is a ginormous

999
00:54:21,309 --> 00:54:18,059
20 foot wide I don't know what 15 foot

1000
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:21,319
tall round yeah

1001
00:54:27,049 --> 00:54:24,180
I've got a photo of me standing under

1002
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,059
the lid yeah yeah I've got I've got I've

1003
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,520
got many of those it's still I I don't

1004
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,440
understand it so anyway you know you

1005
00:54:34,690 --> 00:54:33,359
around the corner and you you look

1006
00:54:36,910 --> 00:54:34,700
you're like

1007
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:36,920
how how

1008
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,900
this this I don't know if it's Granite

1009
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:42,240
what these stone walls are I I don't

1010
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,079
know but it's freaking ginormous in the

1011
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:47,520
middle of the desert underneath the Sand

1012
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:50,280
Dune just a doorway you walk through and

1013
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,099
then boom full of these

1014
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,140
um giant sarcophagus they're 10 feet

1015
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:58,079
wide 10 feet tall 20 feet deep I don't

1016
00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:00,780
know 100 tons each I don't have any clue

1017
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,380
but here's Point number two

1018
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:06,839
talking about energy and high technology

1019
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:09,660
if it if it if you really want a

1020
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:13,920
representation of of crazy tech for me

1021
00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:16,020
it's the Sarah PM because you go through

1022
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,059
and you're looking at you got to take a

1023
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:20,240
second look and I did

1024
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:23,880
those sarcophagus are melted

1025
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:26,040
they're melted they're not that there

1026
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:30,599
are deformities in them it it it's like

1027
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:33,720
some kind of energy whatever they were

1028
00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:37,559
used for Stargate I don't know you know

1029
00:55:43,069 --> 00:55:40,700
uh nobody was buried

1030
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:43,079
it doesn't make any sense and you take a

1031
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:45,000
look and you see these little

1032
00:55:52,690 --> 00:55:49,140
you know like a melted spots I took so

1033
00:55:57,290 --> 00:55:52,700
many pictures of of this you can see the

1034
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:57,300
uh the hieroglyphics is perfect but it's

1035
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:00,180
melted in right and the lines are still

1036
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:03,540
there but it's deformed what deforms

1037
00:56:08,809 --> 00:56:06,020
Granite yeah

1038
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,819
thousands of degrees yeah how do you

1039
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:11,280
melt it and it it's everywhere you if

1040
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:13,079
you take a really close look and you

1041
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:14,819
know you see a smooth side then you'll

1042
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:18,420
see this dip with um what's uh like the

1043
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:21,240
top of a a Dairy Queen ice cream cone

1044
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,680
you know with that little curl on there

1045
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,079
oh there you go yeah that's the little

1046
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:26,400
Dilly bar yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

1047
00:56:32,809 --> 00:56:30,300
what's melting Granite just just explain

1048
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,819
it to me and help me out yeah absolutely

1049
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:33,839
I mean there's a lot of different

1050
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:35,460
theories as to what they could have been

1051
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:37,020
you know were they

1052
00:56:41,089 --> 00:56:38,819
um you know some people believe because

1053
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:41,099
the step pyramid is not too far it's

1054
00:56:44,569 --> 00:56:42,660
just up the hill it's right up the hill

1055
00:56:47,329 --> 00:56:44,579
yeah so some people believe that maybe

1056
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:47,339
they were used as batteries to help

1057
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,400
power the uh the step pyramid totally

1058
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:52,559
buy it yeah you know or were they some

1059
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:55,260
sort of regeneration uh device you know

1060
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,780
that's another that's another idea and

1061
00:57:02,450 --> 00:57:00,240
yeah you see you see that vitrification

1062
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:02,460
in a lot of different places around

1063
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:04,140
Egypt that's just so out of place yes

1064
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:06,900
Egypt is a hot place you know it can get

1065
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:10,200
to you know 120 130 degrees but that

1066
00:57:15,290 --> 00:57:13,260
doesn't melt Stone no you know um you

1067
00:57:17,569 --> 00:57:15,300
know the the whole idea of the you know

1068
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:17,579
the Great Pyramid of Giza being a a

1069
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,760
power plant you know I don't know but

1070
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:22,559
certainly some sort of machine because

1071
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,180
you look at that niche in the queen

1072
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:27,119
chamber and that back side and that

1073
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,300
stone back there one it's charred it's

1074
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:33,000
charred black and two it's vitrified you

1075
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,460
know you somebody melted limestone in

1076
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,960
there so no it's not like

1077
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,640
traditionalists say and they're kind of

1078
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,559
guessing when they're like well we think

1079
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,540
maybe some sort of statue or Idol was

1080
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:43,920
there well that yeah but it's not

1081
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,680
melting the stone so you know come on

1082
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:49,200
yeah you see that in a lot of places I I

1083
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:52,740
shot uh one continuous video in in the

1084
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:56,339
Sarah PM right walking down I can't

1085
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:58,680
express to everybody how big this tunnel

1086
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:01,920
is it's it's it's it's beautiful but

1087
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:04,200
it's an arch and it's it's huge man it's

1088
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:06,180
like a shopping mall right it's

1089
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,540
ginormous and I'm just going sarcophagus

1090
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:11,520
after sarcophagus you know left right

1091
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:14,940
left right all the way up and and you

1092
00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:18,119
look at the the the the the photographs

1093
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:20,579
of me and and and you uh standing

1094
00:58:29,089 --> 00:58:23,940
underneath these Lids that's how big the

1095
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:29,099
lid is here yeah right crazy

1096
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:32,460
um uh but but here's uh back to uh my

1097
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:35,420
point uh about the Sarah PM

1098
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:38,099
the technology

1099
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,420
that it took to dig the tunnels to

1100
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,400
create those sarcophagus I don't know

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00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:46,500
how many there are there's what 20 or

1102
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,160
something like that yeah uh to get those

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00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,839
into there

1104
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:54,180
that's a tight fit I mean you're talking

1105
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:55,680
about how big the tunnels are but when

1106
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,540
you look at the sarcophaga guy they're

1107
00:59:01,549 --> 00:59:00,240
almost as big as the tunnels I don't

1108
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:01,559
even know how they fit in the chambers

1109
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:04,980
that they're in uh and how so we've all

1110
00:59:08,349 --> 00:59:07,020
tried to move a refrigerator down some

1111
00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:08,359
stairs right

1112
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,339
how difficult that is uh just imagine

1113
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,200
that process but you're dealing with a

1114
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,660
hundred ton Granite box

1115
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:17,760
um and and move it so I don't know I

1116
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:19,440
don't know I don't know there's because

1117
00:59:24,289 --> 00:59:21,720
you're not getting you know four guys

1118
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,299
you know one on each corner to move them

1119
00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:26,880
you're not even getting 100 guys with a

1120
00:59:32,089 --> 00:59:30,299
dollar right yeah oh man and they did it

1121
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,099
without the wheels too that's the great

1122
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,440
right yeah and to transport it up there

1123
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:37,200
because it's it's Rose Granite from from

1124
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:40,200
Aswan so they had to bring that 500

1125
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:42,359
miles up the Nile yeah yeah yeah yeah

1126
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,559
and it's uh uh again it's it's under a

1127
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:48,720
sand dune it's under sand it's in the

1128
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,500
middle of the desert it's crazy when

1129
00:59:56,690 --> 00:59:54,480
when I walked out of the Sarah PM After

1130
00:59:59,210 --> 00:59:56,700
experiencing that

1131
01:00:01,730 --> 00:59:59,220
um and went back up uh on top of the you

1132
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:01,740
know the sand the the desert and turned

1133
01:00:08,049 --> 01:00:03,900
around and looked and then I'm picturing

1134
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,059
what's under the sand there uh it's it's

1135
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:10,799
ginormous man and you don't you would

1136
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:13,140
never know that doorway is

1137
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:16,740
is down there it's crazy yeah crazy

1138
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:19,200
um uh really quick before the break when

1139
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,799
um

1140
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:21,960
when you come out of the Sarah PM this

1141
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:23,940
is I'm just wondering what's under my

1142
01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:26,940
feet you know if that's back there what

1143
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:29,099
am I walking on here yeah what else is

1144
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,660
out there yeah what else is out there

1145
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:32,700
and and you you walk around the corner

1146
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,180
and they've got those four or five Greek

1147
01:00:41,329 --> 01:00:38,640
philosophers right the statues that they

1148
01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:41,339
found buried in the sand yeah they

1149
01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:43,859
they're there where they found them

1150
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:45,299
you know what I'm talking about right

1151
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:46,200
yeah I know what you're talking about

1152
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,299
yeah just under the sand you know that's

1153
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:50,160
what's right there yeah it's crazy all

1154
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,720
kinds of other tombs that they're

1155
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:53,579
finding out there constantly you know

1156
01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:56,339
other burial shafts all kinds of stuff

1157
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,859
yeah there's there's a I imagine an

1158
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,960
entire city that's out there that's

1159
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:02,460
waiting to be discovered

1160
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,839
the um uh the amount of uh Arc uh

1161
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:09,180
archaeological digs uh that are going on

1162
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:10,619
there that was another thing I wasn't

1163
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:12,660
ready for it's going on everywhere you

1164
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:15,420
just look and it's like the 1930s right

1165
01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:18,599
you know you got the tents and and the

1166
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,339
archaeologists with their tables and the

1167
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,559
dudes with wheelbarrows and rocks and

1168
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:24,480
and digging and do you see that going on

1169
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:27,540
everywhere it's all over Giza yeah and

1170
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,099
uh they were doing it

1171
01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:31,200
um in uh the Valley of the Kings when we

1172
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:32,099
were there

1173
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:35,760
yeah yeah a fresh dick going on right in

1174
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:37,980
front of me I'd see 20 dudes with with

1175
01:01:41,809 --> 01:01:40,440
wheelbarrows full of rocks right just

1176
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,819
right just like right out of the Moon

1177
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,920
yeah yeah it's been a fantastic

1178
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:45,839
Renaissance here over the last 20 years

1179
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:47,400
it is something like out of the 20s and

1180
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:49,380
30s you know there was kind of a a lull

1181
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:51,000
there for a while we had World War II

1182
01:01:54,829 --> 01:01:52,319
and all that

1183
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:54,839
um but yeah it seems like since what

1184
01:01:59,329 --> 01:01:57,660
early 90s it's really picked back up

1185
01:02:01,069 --> 01:01:59,339
here again and so yeah it's like a whole

1186
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:01,079
other Renaissance for archeology out

1187
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:03,299
there yeah last night I had Tony rathman

1188
01:02:08,569 --> 01:02:05,160
on the show I love Tony Wright he's the

1189
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:08,579
best yeah and uh I said man what would

1190
01:02:12,829 --> 01:02:09,480
happen

1191
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,839
if you took your ghost gear

1192
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:15,359
and went to Egypt

1193
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:17,700
right I I took some stuff with me the

1194
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:18,900
thing was

1195
01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:22,200
um the is again we had the the uh the

1196
01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,359
Giza Pyramid for uh two hours by

1197
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:26,160
ourselves but the archaeologists there

1198
01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:28,980
was like you can't film if I was going

1199
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,140
to use some of the devices but I had to

1200
01:02:35,569 --> 01:02:33,839
I had some of the devices with me and

1201
01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:35,579
one of the things that I wanted to test

1202
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:37,079
was

1203
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:40,260
um I used a chromatic tuner because uh

1204
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:43,559
Tom Danley years ago did some uh audio

1205
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,319
testing out there and discovered that

1206
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:48,960
the the

1207
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,619
to the key of f or F sharp in the copper

1208
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,480
inside the key of A it's like okay let's

1209
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:56,160
put this to the test so I brought out a

1210
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:59,400
chromatic tuner and I had Muhammad uh

1211
01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:02,160
Ibrahim there from the anti-chamber into

1212
01:03:07,549 --> 01:03:05,040
the king's chamber and he's you know

1213
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:07,559
doing the home and sure enough boom F

1214
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:10,440
sharp that's pretty freaking amazing and

1215
01:03:13,490 --> 01:03:11,940
then did the same thing in the Coffer

1216
01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:13,500
and yeah it was a so it was you know

1217
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:15,480
we're confirming an old test but be able

1218
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:17,040
to be able to take those devices in

1219
01:03:20,450 --> 01:03:18,240
there and be able to test things like

1220
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:20,460
that yeah yeah that's pretty awesome

1221
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:22,680
Tony has a lot of great equipment so I'd

1222
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,880
love to see him yeah he's got all the

1223
01:03:27,650 --> 01:03:25,680
equipment now he got an em meter in

1224
01:03:29,569 --> 01:03:27,660
there that you know I don't know the

1225
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:29,579
alphabets of the you know the K meter

1226
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:31,440
the Z meter of you know these different

1227
01:03:34,609 --> 01:03:32,700
meters

1228
01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:34,619
um but uh you know his communication

1229
01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:36,540
equipment

1230
01:03:42,289 --> 01:03:39,420
um uh you know his evox and and things

1231
01:03:45,289 --> 01:03:42,299
and and uh you know maybe some infrared

1232
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,299
or some FLIR cameras and and and and and

1233
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:48,180
do a paranormal do a ghost hunt do a

1234
01:03:55,010 --> 01:03:48,900
ghost

1235
01:03:56,270 --> 01:03:55,020
that'd be pretty interesting to see what

1236
01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:56,280
they'd come up with they wouldn't let

1237
01:04:00,370 --> 01:03:58,260
them film it I know that they're pretty

1238
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:00,380
they're pretty adamant about not filming

1239
01:04:05,569 --> 01:04:03,480
uh that type of research or

1240
01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:05,579
investigation because we tried it no no

1241
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:08,040
no not that uh because I guess they're

1242
01:04:11,329 --> 01:04:09,599
they're really particular about what

1243
01:04:13,309 --> 01:04:11,339
gets released because there's a

1244
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:13,319
narrative that they're trying to you

1245
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:14,940
know pass along so

1246
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:16,980
um but you can do it on your own out

1247
01:04:21,049 --> 01:04:19,680
there yeah yeah yeah I got to take a

1248
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:21,059
break let's get this in our guest

1249
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:22,380
tonight Mike ricksecker tonight

1250
01:04:27,970 --> 01:04:24,900
Halloween night two I know we just

1251
01:04:30,109 --> 01:04:27,980
talked about Egypt but you've got to go

1252
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:30,119
you've got to go we'll be right back

1253
01:04:32,930 --> 01:04:31,619
after this short break I'm your host

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01:04:35,950 --> 01:04:32,940
City Church

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm you'll

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and hey Mike uh so check this out yeah

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last night had Tony rathman on the show

1360
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I I live in a haunted house I've made no

1361
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uh secret about that uh places haunted

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01:10:24,169 --> 01:10:22,560
whatever you know I I just deal with it

1363
01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:24,179
um and so I do the show

1364
01:10:30,770 --> 01:10:27,000
and uh I've got I've got this ghost that

1365
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:30,780
keeps pulling these shoes down off of my

1366
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:34,159
shoe racks in my closet right upstairs

1367
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:38,000
and uh so this morning

1368
01:10:43,970 --> 01:10:40,760
uh I take a shower

1369
01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:43,980
goofing around get out of the shower uh

1370
01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:46,460
getting dressed I go in my master

1371
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:52,260
my walk-in closet and I I screamed

1372
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:54,960
and this is this is what I saw on the

1373
01:11:07,490 --> 01:10:59,590
yeah

1374
01:11:09,770 --> 01:11:07,500
floor next to each other and then over

1375
01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:09,780
here I'm backwards you can see the shoes

1376
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:14,520
have fallen down yeah and I was like wow

1377
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:17,640
somebody likes your shoes man and it's

1378
01:11:23,930 --> 01:11:21,360
freaking rathman and uh yeah it it it's

1379
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:23,940
it's it's it's crazy uh I live in this

1380
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:26,480
this paranormal Supernatural environment

1381
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:29,280
uh that seems you know and the the the

1382
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:31,980
pair of shoes was perfect and felt that

1383
01:11:36,649 --> 01:11:34,560
I don't know man I'm just so glad I

1384
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:36,659
haven't seen it happen I don't want to

1385
01:11:40,189 --> 01:11:37,860
see I don't want to see it happen

1386
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:40,199
probably jump no man I don't want to see

1387
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:41,400
it happen

1388
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:43,860
um but uh help me understand

1389
01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:48,239
um how do you go uh from the NSA

1390
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:52,140
literally uh into paranormal research uh

1391
01:11:57,169 --> 01:11:54,840
did did was this something that

1392
01:11:58,370 --> 01:11:57,179
interested you before you started your

1393
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,380
career

1394
01:12:03,649 --> 01:12:00,600
um and and then made the change or did

1395
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:03,659
something happen uh later in life uh

1396
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,400
help me understand that yeah the the

1397
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:07,199
Paranormal predated everything with the

1398
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,960
NSA I was at NSA because I was uh in the

1399
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:12,480
Air Force and so I was working for the

1400
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,000
Air Force at in a state NSA there for a

1401
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:17,040
couple of years and so I have

1402
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,560
experiences with the Paranormal ever

1403
01:12:23,209 --> 01:12:21,840
since I was a kid uh going back to when

1404
01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:23,219
I was about eight years old I know we're

1405
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:24,659
gonna talk something about uh Shadow

1406
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,340
People tonight but basically you know

1407
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:28,080
what happened was you know I woke up in

1408
01:12:30,530 --> 01:12:29,040
the middle of the night and there was

1409
01:12:32,030 --> 01:12:30,540
this tall dark figure standing in the

1410
01:12:34,729 --> 01:12:32,040
corner of my bedroom

1411
01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:34,739
and uh you want to go into the whole

1412
01:12:40,669 --> 01:12:38,699
story right now all right let's do it so

1413
01:12:42,649 --> 01:12:40,679
you know I at eight years old I have no

1414
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:42,659
idea from Shadow People you know I think

1415
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:44,280
that there is an intruder in the house

1416
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:46,260
and you know he's about to kill me or

1417
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,219
something because that's about what you

1418
01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:49,440
think at eight years old uh fortunate

1419
01:12:52,189 --> 01:12:50,699
I'm still alive to tell the tale which

1420
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,199
is great but

1421
01:12:55,790 --> 01:12:54,239
um you know I was I was frightened I was

1422
01:12:56,990 --> 01:12:55,800
scaring I'm trying to scream nothing's

1423
01:12:59,630 --> 01:12:57,000
coming out of my mouth because I'm just

1424
01:13:02,450 --> 01:12:59,640
too terrified and the thing comes up to

1425
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,460
my bed leans over I'm staring into this

1426
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:04,080
blank black face there's nothing there

1427
01:13:08,689 --> 01:13:06,300
no eyes no no somebody nothing it's just

1428
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:08,699
all black and I can't still trying to

1429
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,280
scream I just can't and then it does

1430
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:13,679
something unusual grabs me by the wrists

1431
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:16,560
crosses my arms across my body and then

1432
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:18,900
it runs off down the hall and of all

1433
01:13:23,390 --> 01:13:21,540
places into a closet so by that point I

1434
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:23,400
find my voice find my legs run off

1435
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:26,040
screaming to my parents bedroom you know

1436
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:27,420
their nice parents are trying to console

1437
01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:30,060
me calm me down and tell me that I just

1438
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,460
had a bad dream well I knew I hadn't had

1439
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:35,280
a bad dream I had been awake for this

1440
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,280
whole thing so and I would never call

1441
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:40,080
that a haunted house this was just like

1442
01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:42,540
a a one-off you know there may have been

1443
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:44,580
something a little paranormal before

1444
01:13:49,610 --> 01:13:47,100
that what do you think this was all

1445
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:49,620
about well you know I'd wondered that

1446
01:13:53,870 --> 01:13:52,020
for years I've seen other Shadows since

1447
01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,880
then that were very different this is

1448
01:13:56,990 --> 01:13:55,199
the only one that really got physical

1449
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:57,000
like that with me

1450
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,340
and um you know for something we talked

1451
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,719
about Egypt

1452
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,159
um a couple people over the years had

1453
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:06,000
postulated the idea that well maybe this

1454
01:14:09,229 --> 01:14:07,620
thing thought you were dead and was

1455
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:09,239
putting you into some sort of burial

1456
01:14:12,649 --> 01:14:11,219
pose like the crook and flail in Egypt

1457
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,659
you know that sort of thing it's like

1458
01:14:17,050 --> 01:14:14,640
all right that's that's not a bad idea

1459
01:14:19,490 --> 01:14:17,060
and I had you know two separate people

1460
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:19,500
uh years apart from each other suggest

1461
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:21,239
that it's like well that that's a decent

1462
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:24,960
idea but um about a year and a half ago

1463
01:14:27,709 --> 01:14:26,940
yeah it was about a year and a half ago

1464
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:27,719
now

1465
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:28,380
um

1466
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:30,980
actually just before I went to Egypt

1467
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:35,520
that um I had a hypnotic regression to

1468
01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:37,380
one find out a couple different things

1469
01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:39,540
about myself but I really wanted to know

1470
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:41,400
more about this particular incident

1471
01:14:44,930 --> 01:14:43,260
because I was going to Egypt and one of

1472
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:44,940
the things that I wanted to research was

1473
01:14:49,250 --> 01:14:47,760
Shadow phenomena in Egypt and I had a

1474
01:14:50,890 --> 01:14:49,260
great conversation with Muhammad about

1475
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:50,900
that

1476
01:15:00,770 --> 01:14:57,540
hypnosis session I got a really really

1477
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:00,780
interesting perspective not from me but

1478
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:04,020
actually from the perspective of the

1479
01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:06,060
Shadow entity which was really bizarre

1480
01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:08,520
because all of a sudden I'm looking down

1481
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:10,679
at my little eight-year-old body from

1482
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:13,739
the corner of the room and you know it

1483
01:15:16,850 --> 01:15:15,000
was it was strange to look at because

1484
01:15:19,010 --> 01:15:16,860
here's this little boy you know with

1485
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:19,020
this black moppy hair that I had back

1486
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:22,560
then and he's trying to scream with me

1487
01:15:28,970 --> 01:15:25,679
at that age trying to scream and what's

1488
01:15:31,810 --> 01:15:28,980
interesting is I could I could feel what

1489
01:15:35,890 --> 01:15:31,820
the shadow entity was feel somehow

1490
01:15:40,130 --> 01:15:35,900
the regression is uh Ariana corsino

1491
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:40,140
had can really connected with this beam

1492
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:43,080
and so I'm what I'm feeling in that

1493
01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:46,080
moment is that this thing didn't

1494
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:48,600
actually want to scare me it actually

1495
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:51,480
didn't think that I could see it and

1496
01:15:56,570 --> 01:15:53,880
when it realized that I could see it in

1497
01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:56,580
it it scared me what it was doing when

1498
01:16:01,610 --> 01:15:58,920
it came up to my bed and crossed my arms

1499
01:16:04,610 --> 01:16:01,620
like that was it was actually trying to

1500
01:16:07,790 --> 01:16:04,620
put me into a self-hug and from this New

1501
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:07,800
Perspective that I got to see when

1502
01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:09,780
went across my arms like that it

1503
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:11,580
actually tapped me on the wrist which I

1504
01:16:15,649 --> 01:16:13,260
couldn't see from you know my little boy

1505
01:16:17,330 --> 01:16:15,659
perspective uh when I was younger and

1506
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:17,340
then it ran off and got out of there so

1507
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:19,199
that it would stop scaring me

1508
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:21,420
so of course you know a couple of the

1509
01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:22,980
questions that came up during this that

1510
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:25,380
she asked this being was you know one

1511
01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:27,060
you know what are you doing there to

1512
01:16:31,810 --> 01:16:28,020
begin with

1513
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:31,820
and the response was that it was there

1514
01:16:36,830 --> 01:16:35,460
trying to research Humanity that you

1515
01:16:41,570 --> 01:16:36,840
know yeah I didn't realize that it could

1516
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:41,580
be seen But the its purpose was to uh

1517
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:45,420
was to come to our planet and research

1518
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:48,120
what we were as human beings

1519
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:50,460
so then the other question was you know

1520
01:16:56,330 --> 01:16:53,580
where are you from and the response was

1521
01:16:58,130 --> 01:16:56,340
from another space which is kind of an

1522
01:17:00,410 --> 01:16:58,140
interesting response so she followed up

1523
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:00,420
with do you mean another dimension

1524
01:17:05,630 --> 01:17:03,360
and this entity responded with you might

1525
01:17:08,689 --> 01:17:05,640
call it another dimension but really

1526
01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:08,699
it's another space so

1527
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:11,100
to me that was a really interesting

1528
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:14,400
response that what what does that what

1529
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:17,940
does that mean yeah exactly so it almost

1530
01:17:23,149 --> 01:17:21,300
seems to me that you know we have these

1531
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:23,159
ideas of what other dimensions may be

1532
01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:25,320
our theoretical physics go into you know

1533
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,300
the idea of we have up to 11 different

1534
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:30,480
dimensions but you know given this kind

1535
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:32,580
of answer what we may think of as a

1536
01:17:37,330 --> 01:17:35,040
dimension we might just be touching the

1537
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:37,340
you know the tip of the iceberg here and

1538
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:39,659
what we're considering dementia is maybe

1539
01:17:45,790 --> 01:17:42,480
like a whole vastly bigger different

1540
01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:45,800
realm uh than we've ever really

1541
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:48,900
conceived of in our minds before do you

1542
01:17:55,729 --> 01:17:52,380
think that um it may be the same

1543
01:17:58,610 --> 01:17:55,739
for them the same experience that we're

1544
01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:58,620
experiencing in that to them we're in

1545
01:18:03,169 --> 01:18:00,540
another dimension and we're the ghosts

1546
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,179
right we're the end yeah yeah no I I've

1547
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:05,280
I've had uh experiences where I thought

1548
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:06,719
that before

1549
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:08,280
um right doing a paranormal

1550
01:18:11,870 --> 01:18:10,020
investigation at a at an old restaurant

1551
01:18:14,270 --> 01:18:11,880
called Johnny V's this was in uh

1552
01:18:16,610 --> 01:18:14,280
Muskogee Oklahoma and had a really

1553
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:16,620
bizarre experience one time where I'm uh

1554
01:18:21,169 --> 01:18:19,080
walking through the uh the main door to

1555
01:18:23,330 --> 01:18:21,179
the kitchen at that restaurant all of a

1556
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:23,340
sudden there was this wispy little like

1557
01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:26,000
shadow that boom darted across the room

1558
01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:28,980
and it was so fast but you heard this

1559
01:18:34,010 --> 01:18:31,800
boom this slam of the side door which

1560
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:34,020
was just like a little flimsy metal door

1561
01:18:37,729 --> 01:18:36,239
that you know you could tap with your

1562
01:18:39,169 --> 01:18:37,739
finger and it would move because you

1563
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:39,179
know it was for waiters and waitresses

1564
01:18:44,270 --> 01:18:40,860
to carry large chairs of food but the

1565
01:18:45,530 --> 01:18:44,280
crazy thing is is that it didn't move so

1566
01:18:47,149 --> 01:18:45,540
I had to think about that for a while

1567
01:18:48,770 --> 01:18:47,159
okay why didn't I'm calling out to the

1568
01:18:49,970 --> 01:18:48,780
others that were around you hey did you

1569
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:49,980
guys hear that because they were off

1570
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:51,659
doing other things but when they had

1571
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:52,920
heard it

1572
01:18:57,709 --> 01:18:54,900
but nobody had been over there nobody

1573
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:57,719
you know saw this door move nothing so

1574
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:59,880
what exactly happened here and as I

1575
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:02,400
thought through that whole incident okay

1576
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:04,500
I walk into the room and the way it

1577
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:07,080
responded to me was like was like I

1578
01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:10,560
scared it you know maybe it saw me as

1579
01:19:13,910 --> 01:19:12,179
the ghost maybe it saw me as a shadow

1580
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:13,920
like I saw it

1581
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:16,260
and perhaps on its plane of existence

1582
01:19:20,689 --> 01:19:17,580
because I believe this was some sort of

1583
01:19:22,370 --> 01:19:20,699
interdimensional being that perhaps on

1584
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,380
its plane of existence it blew right

1585
01:19:28,130 --> 01:19:24,480
through that door that door opened wide

1586
01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:28,140
and it ran off into the dining room area

1587
01:19:31,610 --> 01:19:30,360
but the sound of it I could hear it

1588
01:19:34,729 --> 01:19:31,620
because Sound Works on a different

1589
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:34,739
wavelength than than light which is you

1590
01:19:38,330 --> 01:19:36,360
know what our eyes pick up on so

1591
01:19:40,669 --> 01:19:38,340
therefore is able to hear the sound of

1592
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,679
that happening but not actually see it

1593
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:43,440
but yeah I think that to that particular

1594
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,780
entity that yeah I came through as a

1595
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:48,480
ghost or a shadow or something can we

1596
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:53,040
Circle back uh to this for a second

1597
01:19:58,010 --> 01:19:56,580
um did you feel was it was it a physical

1598
01:20:01,310 --> 01:19:58,020
sensation

1599
01:20:04,490 --> 01:20:01,320
um on your on your wrist placing did you

1600
01:20:05,390 --> 01:20:04,500
feel this happening I did and people ask

1601
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:05,400
me

1602
01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:08,280
um you know did I feel you know coldness

1603
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:10,500
did I feel electric or you know stuff

1604
01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:14,340
like that and no actually it just felt

1605
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:17,400
like any other regular person grabbing a

1606
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:19,860
hold of me there was definitely Mass but

1607
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:22,920
nothing real really special about it it

1608
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:24,600
was a physical experience it was a

1609
01:20:27,890 --> 01:20:26,640
physical experience for sure yeah wow

1610
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:27,900
wow

1611
01:20:34,850 --> 01:20:33,239
um uh when uh you've contemplated this a

1612
01:20:37,790 --> 01:20:34,860
lot you've done a lot of research into

1613
01:20:39,470 --> 01:20:37,800
shadow people and and different types

1614
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:39,480
too as well yeah

1615
01:20:47,209 --> 01:20:44,400
um the phenomenon though uh for it to be

1616
01:20:51,410 --> 01:20:47,219
physical if you're feeling it then there

1617
01:20:52,910 --> 01:20:51,420
has to be something uh there's got to be

1618
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:52,920
particles involved there has to be

1619
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:54,900
something at the quantum the atomic

1620
01:21:00,110 --> 01:20:57,300
level where there's that what do you

1621
01:21:01,850 --> 01:21:00,120
think ultimately makes up this Mass

1622
01:21:04,189 --> 01:21:01,860
yeah that's a great question uh there's

1623
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:04,199
definitely an energetic uh component to

1624
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:07,679
it uh you know so was I you know feeling

1625
01:21:13,010 --> 01:21:10,380
that energy at a you know at a physical

1626
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,020
level like that you know did it you know

1627
01:21:17,630 --> 01:21:14,880
there's that we've we toss out ideas

1628
01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:17,640
sometimes of um you know if some of

1629
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:19,140
these are extraterrestrials are they

1630
01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:22,560
using some sort of cloaking device and

1631
01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:25,020
that you know because of maybe they

1632
01:21:29,149 --> 01:21:26,520
don't quite fully understand the

1633
01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:29,159
physiology of our eyes that instead of

1634
01:21:33,890 --> 01:21:31,800
you know it being invisible as a

1635
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:33,900
cloaking device should be we see it as a

1636
01:21:38,090 --> 01:21:35,400
shadow or maybe you know people report

1637
01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:38,100
seeing a shimmer type person so this

1638
01:21:42,649 --> 01:21:40,500
thing traveling interdimensionally are

1639
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:42,659
they trying to use something similar you

1640
01:21:48,530 --> 01:21:45,600
know it is it some sort because again

1641
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:48,540
um the the idea came through that it

1642
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:50,820
thought that I couldn't see it but I

1643
01:21:55,729 --> 01:21:53,460
could on some level so was it using some

1644
01:21:57,709 --> 01:21:55,739
sort of cloaking technology and it had a

1645
01:22:01,130 --> 01:21:57,719
mass behind that that you know maybe

1646
01:22:03,410 --> 01:22:01,140
it's a whole entire physical being that

1647
01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:03,420
I mean who knows maybe I had a long you

1648
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:05,880
know uh you know wavy brown hair or

1649
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:07,800
something I don't know you know what was

1650
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:09,480
behind the cloak no idea yeah yeah

1651
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,960
that's very interesting and the same

1652
01:22:17,930 --> 01:22:15,600
Concepts uh that we have that we wonder

1653
01:22:20,330 --> 01:22:17,940
about right is it a frequency of our

1654
01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:20,340
vision that we're limited to a certain

1655
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:23,460
uh spectrum and you know bats and cats

1656
01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:26,460
and you know other animals and fit they

1657
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:29,640
you know they see things differently uh

1658
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:31,800
than we do and different colors and

1659
01:22:37,130 --> 01:22:34,860
different spectrums and and is it

1660
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,140
something that's passing in and out and

1661
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:39,420
could these entities or whatever they

1662
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:40,800
are

1663
01:22:47,149 --> 01:22:44,400
um be used to not being seen and

1664
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:47,159
suddenly right that they're in our and

1665
01:22:50,930 --> 01:22:49,080
now they are being seen and we're

1666
01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:50,940
catching them by surprise

1667
01:22:56,090 --> 01:22:54,120
yeah it absolutely could be and there

1668
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:56,100
are times okay so a lot of people will

1669
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:57,480
see things out of the corner of their

1670
01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:00,179
eyes and really it's a phenomena called

1671
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:02,520
averted Vision your eyes are made of

1672
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:06,780
rods and cones and uh over on the side

1673
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:10,500
that's where most of your uh

1674
01:23:14,930 --> 01:23:12,900
light receptors come in from so that's

1675
01:23:16,970 --> 01:23:14,940
why you will see like

1676
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:16,980
um stargazers a lot of times if they're

1677
01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:18,420
trying to see something with the naked

1678
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,420
eye they will actually look out the side

1679
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:23,280
and not straight on it's something like

1680
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:25,199
a comet or what have you through the air

1681
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:27,420
so that's why you know we'll see

1682
01:23:31,070 --> 01:23:28,560
something out of the corner of our eye

1683
01:23:33,410 --> 01:23:31,080
turn and look and it seems like it's

1684
01:23:37,610 --> 01:23:33,420
gone it's not really gone it's just

1685
01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,620
because of the frequency of light that

1686
01:23:41,870 --> 01:23:40,020
we're only able to get that uh through

1687
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:41,880
the side rather than straight on you

1688
01:23:45,070 --> 01:23:43,500
know that explains a lot and you're

1689
01:23:48,290 --> 01:23:45,080
freaking me out

1690
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:48,300
in that we all do it right

1691
01:23:52,910 --> 01:23:50,219
right and it's not there it's gone yeah

1692
01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:52,920
oh man that's not right that's that's

1693
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:55,380
some Halloween stuff right there I mean

1694
01:24:01,610 --> 01:23:59,580
because uh I I I'm just like everybody

1695
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:01,620
else I'm not planning a flag here I'm

1696
01:24:07,790 --> 01:24:04,980
not discovering anything uh we all do

1697
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:07,800
that we'll see something uh to the side

1698
01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:10,980
it's there we see it whatever it is and

1699
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:13,140
we look and it's not there and that

1700
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:15,060
would explain a lot that our light

1701
01:24:19,310 --> 01:24:16,920
receptors are picking up are more

1702
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,320
sensitive to one side instead of

1703
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:20,880
straight ahead

1704
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:24,840
yep absolutely yeah and that's um I have

1705
01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:26,820
that in my in my book A Walk in the

1706
01:24:32,330 --> 01:24:29,699
shadows and I think it's I had a lot of

1707
01:24:34,850 --> 01:24:32,340
people reach out to me about that uh

1708
01:24:36,890 --> 01:24:34,860
particular issue because they don't

1709
01:24:38,689 --> 01:24:36,900
understand okay why am I just seeing

1710
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:38,699
this out of my periphery you know you

1711
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,900
know why am I seeing something just kind

1712
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:41,280
of Dart across a room and it just

1713
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,719
seemingly disappears right in front of

1714
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:44,400
me and but I think it also kind of

1715
01:24:48,290 --> 01:24:46,440
creeps them out when I tell them well it

1716
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:48,300
actually probably didn't disappear it's

1717
01:24:52,810 --> 01:24:51,000
probably still right in front of you

1718
01:24:56,330 --> 01:24:52,820
so yeah like I said you're freaking out

1719
01:24:58,490 --> 01:24:56,340
it's gotten to the point with me

1720
01:25:01,550 --> 01:24:58,500
um that I don't look anymore

1721
01:25:04,669 --> 01:25:01,560
yeah I know it okay all right just just

1722
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,679
do your thing I'm gonna keep watching

1723
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:06,960
Independence Day or you know whatever's

1724
01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:10,800
in front of me and and I I I I I I've

1725
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,080
started to ignore it

1726
01:25:16,729 --> 01:25:15,360
um now here's here's uh another point

1727
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,739
though

1728
01:25:22,729 --> 01:25:19,679
um you have captured stuff

1729
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:22,739
um on video and on film over the years

1730
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,520
I've seen a bunch of it and uh the I

1731
01:25:31,250 --> 01:25:28,800
think it was a gymnasium was it yeah

1732
01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:31,260
yeah the gym campsville uh grade school

1733
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:32,840
yeah I was in the gym

1734
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,480
okay so when you when you capture

1735
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,400
something like that uh we've got enough

1736
01:25:43,850 --> 01:25:40,560
time before the break

1737
01:25:45,649 --> 01:25:43,860
um uh two things must be going on one

1738
01:25:49,490 --> 01:25:45,659
the ability to see it with your naked

1739
01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:49,500
eye how did that did that occur because

1740
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:54,120
it was captured on video and it's there

1741
01:25:59,930 --> 01:25:56,820
um with that which this is a remarkable

1742
01:26:02,450 --> 01:25:59,940
piece of footage that you captured did

1743
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:02,460
you see with the naked eye actually we

1744
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:04,920
didn't and I think that was because

1745
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,260
um the the backlight from the viewfinder

1746
01:26:11,629 --> 01:26:09,600
was right in our faces uh so we actually

1747
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:11,639
didn't see it with the naked eye we we

1748
01:26:16,490 --> 01:26:14,400
saw it on a video review when we were

1749
01:26:18,770 --> 01:26:16,500
going through the footage later on but

1750
01:26:21,169 --> 01:26:18,780
you know it's it's clear as day and

1751
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,179
we've gone through that footage so many

1752
01:26:26,450 --> 01:26:23,280
times to try to figure out was it

1753
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:26,460
something but you can see this thing you

1754
01:26:31,090 --> 01:26:28,860
know clearly walking across the gym

1755
01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:31,100
floor

1756
01:26:35,689 --> 01:26:33,300
it's a it's a shadow being walking

1757
01:26:37,790 --> 01:26:35,699
around I watched that footage over and

1758
01:26:39,290 --> 01:26:37,800
over again

1759
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:39,300
um he sent it to me I have it on my

1760
01:26:44,830 --> 01:26:41,580
drive I've gone back and looked at it

1761
01:26:47,689 --> 01:26:44,840
that is that some of the most remarkable

1762
01:26:49,570 --> 01:26:47,699
footage I've ever seen but also the

1763
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:49,580
creepiest

1764
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:52,800
you know it was but you know that

1765
01:26:57,410 --> 01:26:54,420
we didn't really feel creeped out

1766
01:26:59,330 --> 01:26:57,420
because it was it was very playful with

1767
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:59,340
us you know we were back and forth

1768
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,800
across that gym because where where we

1769
01:27:05,629 --> 01:27:03,840
captured that was in front of a set of

1770
01:27:07,310 --> 01:27:05,639
double doors that you know led to the

1771
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:07,320
boys locker room and then down to the

1772
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:09,900
basement and we'd be hearing a lot of

1773
01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:11,940
things over in in that direction so we'd

1774
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:13,500
go over there investigate a little bit

1775
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,840
we would hear noises over back by the

1776
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:17,280
bleachers on the other side of the gym

1777
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:20,040
and so okay so stuff's going on let's go

1778
01:27:22,610 --> 01:27:21,420
back over there and then we'd hear

1779
01:27:23,930 --> 01:27:22,620
things over by the door again so it's

1780
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:23,940
this concept back and forth back and

1781
01:27:29,090 --> 01:27:25,860
forth right and then we finally caught

1782
01:27:31,250 --> 01:27:29,100
that on film we ended up going back to

1783
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,260
do a height comparison to figure out

1784
01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:33,840
okay how exactly how tall was this thing

1785
01:27:39,229 --> 01:27:35,880
and it would have been about the height

1786
01:27:42,649 --> 01:27:39,239
of a 10 or 11 year old child which fits

1787
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:42,659
with the idea that it's a school right

1788
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:47,820
so yeah incredible piece now so here if

1789
01:27:52,189 --> 01:27:49,860
you're not seeing it with the naked eye

1790
01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:52,199
but it is appearing

1791
01:27:57,410 --> 01:27:55,620
um in in the digital format is it energy

1792
01:27:59,870 --> 01:27:57,420
what do you think you're ultimately

1793
01:28:02,930 --> 01:27:59,880
capturing yeah I mean you're talking

1794
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:02,940
that uh I mean a camera lenses Works

1795
01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:04,560
differently than the human eye we've

1796
01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:07,080
we've not been able to precisely

1797
01:28:11,209 --> 01:28:09,300
replicate the human eye so the way that

1798
01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:11,219
uh camera catches light is different

1799
01:28:16,189 --> 01:28:14,580
than we catch light uh again I I think

1800
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:16,199
the fact that we had the viewfinder in

1801
01:28:20,810 --> 01:28:18,719
our face with with all that backlight uh

1802
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:20,820
at us kind of hindered us being able to

1803
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:22,920
see it with the naked eye I'd love to be

1804
01:28:26,030 --> 01:28:24,239
able to go back and see if we could see

1805
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:26,040
that thing again uh without the camera

1806
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:28,380
at all right but but yeah that's

1807
01:28:31,310 --> 01:28:29,280
something you have to take into

1808
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,320
consideration that what we're capturing

1809
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,080
on on camera may be different than what

1810
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:36,719
we actually see in vice versa is there

1811
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:40,159
history uh to this particular location

1812
01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:43,440
uh with a with a child and and something

1813
01:28:48,890 --> 01:28:47,460
in the past you know not so much a child

1814
01:28:50,510 --> 01:28:48,900
in the gym it's not like there was an

1815
01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:50,520
accident in the in the gym and a child

1816
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,300
died or what have you but this is a site

1817
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:56,639
oh this was really stupid on their part

1818
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:00,239
so back in the 1920s about 100 years ago

1819
01:29:06,970 --> 01:29:03,840
this particular site was actually a dig

1820
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,980
site for uh Native American archeology

1821
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,360
and you can actually see behind the

1822
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:10,800
school the terracine in the hillside

1823
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:12,540
where they dug everything out and

1824
01:29:16,129 --> 01:29:13,860
basically once they were done with that

1825
01:29:19,010 --> 01:29:16,139
dig they put the school right on top of

1826
01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:19,020
it oh man yeah Didn't They See the movie

1827
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:21,679
Poltergeist right

1828
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:24,960
so there's a lot of there's a lot of

1829
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:27,840
activity that happens uh within that

1830
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:30,480
building we've got an apparition of what

1831
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,420
looks like a uh a woman out of the late

1832
01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:36,480
1800s early 1900s down the bottom of the

1833
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:39,239
uh stairs there there are footsteps that

1834
01:29:43,490 --> 01:29:41,280
you can distinctly hear

1835
01:29:44,689 --> 01:29:43,500
you would say from the second floor but

1836
01:29:46,250 --> 01:29:44,699
there's no second floor to this building

1837
01:29:48,910 --> 01:29:46,260
you know they're just like Phantom

1838
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:48,920
footsteps above your head it's bizarre

1839
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:53,040
uh I I deal with that every day

1840
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:57,360
you know I I live alone and my freaking

1841
01:30:01,070 --> 01:30:00,000
bathroom upstairs the master bath in my

1842
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:01,080
bedroom

1843
01:30:05,870 --> 01:30:04,020
tile floor I'm sitting downstairs and I

1844
01:30:08,270 --> 01:30:05,880
just hear it

1845
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,280
and uh again I've just got this

1846
01:30:14,450 --> 01:30:11,280
understanding uh this is something we

1847
01:30:21,229 --> 01:30:18,050
you're not scaring me do your thing we

1848
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,239
we can cohabitate right absolutely and

1849
01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:23,280
and is is that the best way to approach

1850
01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:25,080
it instead of freaking yourself out or

1851
01:30:31,070 --> 01:30:28,380
trying to do a a spirit cleanse or a

1852
01:30:33,410 --> 01:30:31,080
ghost hunt in in your own home yeah in

1853
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:33,420
most cases yeah I mean most of these

1854
01:30:38,570 --> 01:30:35,460
things that we're we're interacting with

1855
01:30:39,770 --> 01:30:38,580
are you know they were once human uh you

1856
01:30:42,290 --> 01:30:39,780
know and

1857
01:30:44,270 --> 01:30:42,300
you know generally you can work out in

1858
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,280
agreement now it kind of depends on how

1859
01:30:48,770 --> 01:30:46,560
they were in life I mean a generally

1860
01:30:50,689 --> 01:30:48,780
nice person in in life will be a nice

1861
01:30:52,129 --> 01:30:50,699
person in their afterlife but you know

1862
01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:52,139
if they're a jerk in life they're

1863
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:53,699
probably a jerk in death too so it kind

1864
01:30:57,470 --> 01:30:54,960
of depends on who you're dealing with

1865
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:57,480
but yeah I know several people who you

1866
01:31:00,890 --> 01:30:59,580
know are able to cohabitate quite well

1867
01:31:01,970 --> 01:31:00,900
with the spirits in their house they

1868
01:31:04,010 --> 01:31:01,980
just yeah they come to a working

1869
01:31:06,530 --> 01:31:04,020
agreement yeah I'm just sitting there

1870
01:31:09,169 --> 01:31:06,540
and I you know I'll just hear it and

1871
01:31:13,610 --> 01:31:09,179
just whatever whatever it's it's it's

1872
01:31:16,669 --> 01:31:13,620
it's so I used to really get upset right

1873
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:16,679
like okay what is it do I have a raccoon

1874
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,440
living in the rafters do I need to get

1875
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:21,120
up there with a flashlight do I need to

1876
01:31:27,229 --> 01:31:22,880
go and investigate do I need to get up

1877
01:31:29,209 --> 01:31:27,239
now you know uh it's been uh you know

1878
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:29,219
over a year I've been dealing with it I

1879
01:31:34,129 --> 01:31:31,080
just whatever you know

1880
01:31:36,110 --> 01:31:34,139
it is what it is it's what it is you

1881
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:36,120
know I'm not going to change it it it's

1882
01:31:41,209 --> 01:31:39,360
constant uh maybe it's the pipes maybe

1883
01:31:43,610 --> 01:31:41,219
it's this you know I've tried to resolve

1884
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:43,620
it a million different ways uh it

1885
01:31:48,050 --> 01:31:45,480
doesn't change the fact that whatever it

1886
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:48,060
is it happens right there

1887
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:50,580
um in my bathroom above my head

1888
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:53,699
um but I I just love this part of uh the

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01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:57,060
Paranormal and I've always been a little

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01:32:02,209 --> 01:32:00,000
confused about the definitions

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01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:02,219
um before the break when we talk about

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01:32:08,330 --> 01:32:06,480
the Paranormal and then is Supernatural

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01:32:10,729 --> 01:32:08,340
interchangeable or are we talking about

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01:32:13,310 --> 01:32:10,739
two different things

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01:32:14,990 --> 01:32:13,320
um that's yeah that's a good question so

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you know even

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I mean they're they're certainly related

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01:32:22,250 --> 01:32:19,020
I think what we've done in our modern

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culture is uh we've taken the term

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paranormal and we've applied it to

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ghosts and hauntings and we've taken

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01:32:32,689 --> 01:32:30,300
Supernatural and we've said that that's

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01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:32,699
you know kind of all-encompassing

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01:32:37,669 --> 01:32:35,040
strange phenomenon

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01:32:38,689 --> 01:32:37,679
um but if if you think about in in Hans

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01:32:41,629 --> 01:32:38,699
Holzer

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01:32:45,410 --> 01:32:41,639
um had a great quote in regards to this

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01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:45,420
that there really is no Supernatural

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01:32:50,030 --> 01:32:47,520
everything that we're dealing with is

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01:32:52,970 --> 01:32:50,040
actually quite natural you know it's

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01:32:55,070 --> 01:32:52,980
part of our universe it's just you know

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01:32:58,010 --> 01:32:55,080
we don't see it as often as other things

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01:33:00,770 --> 01:32:58,020
uh in our universe and so yeah it's it's

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01:33:02,450 --> 01:33:00,780
nothing to be uh scared of it is

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01:33:03,410 --> 01:33:02,460
phenomena that is supposed to be

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01:33:08,030 --> 01:33:03,420
happening

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01:33:10,669 --> 01:33:08,040
and so paranormal just means for the

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01:33:14,810 --> 01:33:10,679
normies out there something that is not

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01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:14,820
normal in their normal world right yeah

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01:33:18,110 --> 01:33:16,380
something that's not normal in your

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01:33:20,930 --> 01:33:18,120
normal world and you know there are

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01:33:23,930 --> 01:33:20,940
people that are quite not normal so what

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01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,510
kind of normal at that point right

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let's take a break right here this is

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Fade to Black I'm your host Jimmy church

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night two of our Halloween week

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Mike ricksecker is our guest more with

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Mike when we come back after this short

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[Music]

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way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to Fade to Black

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[Music]

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01:39:02,450 --> 01:38:59,280
Networks you're listening to Jimmy

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01:39:06,050 --> 01:39:02,460
church this is Revolution the revolution

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01:39:07,729 --> 01:39:06,060
will not be televised the revolution is

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thank you

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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01:39:55,729 --> 01:39:53,280
welcome back faded blackout Jimmy church

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01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,739
tonight Our Guest is Mike Rick sucker

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01:39:59,629 --> 01:39:57,360
night two

2049
01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:59,639
of Halloween nights here all the way

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01:40:03,530 --> 01:40:01,260
through the end of the month uh through

2051
01:40:07,550 --> 01:40:03,540
Halloween October 31st

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01:40:10,370 --> 01:40:07,560
and uh uh uh Mike check this out

2053
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:10,380
somebody just posted um

2054
01:40:17,470 --> 01:40:13,320
Mike looks like Mike Damon of Fast Times

2055
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:19,910
and I was like we got to come back after

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01:40:25,550 --> 01:40:22,560
the break that's fast times reference

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01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:25,560
all right yeah yeah yeah yeah just say

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01:40:30,729 --> 01:40:27,360
it just for me just go

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01:40:35,050 --> 01:40:30,739
tickets so close you'll scare the band

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01:40:37,790 --> 01:40:35,060
you remember that Cheap Trick yeah yeah

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01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:37,800
oh my accents are terrible I'd butcher

2062
01:40:44,330 --> 01:40:40,880
it that's just the best best movie ever

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01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,340
uh demo was my favorite character he he

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01:40:47,570 --> 01:40:46,560
made the movie for me uh he was just

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01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,580
incredible

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01:40:51,169 --> 01:40:48,960
um anyway I thought I'd share that with

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01:40:53,629 --> 01:40:51,179
you okay back to

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01:40:57,890 --> 01:40:53,639
um can we

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01:41:00,649 --> 01:40:57,900
can we manifest shadow people

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01:41:01,310 --> 01:41:00,659
oh that's an interesting question

2071
01:41:05,450 --> 01:41:01,320
um

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01:41:09,050 --> 01:41:05,460
so I I think well I mean the the idea of

2073
01:41:11,149 --> 01:41:09,060
being able to manifest you know anything

2074
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:11,159
you know you talk like Law of Attraction

2075
01:41:14,570 --> 01:41:12,719
trying to manifest something into your

2076
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:14,580
life you know could you manifest a

2077
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,560
shadow person could you call upon

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01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:18,960
another entity from another realm to

2079
01:41:25,490 --> 01:41:22,080
come in I yeah I I think we certainly

2080
01:41:27,050 --> 01:41:25,500
can uh just even the idea of you know

2081
01:41:28,189 --> 01:41:27,060
using a Ouija board or something like

2082
01:41:32,330 --> 01:41:28,199
that that's what we're doing we're

2083
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:32,340
inviting Spirit to come in uh so to

2084
01:41:36,830 --> 01:41:35,280
invite specifically a shadow person

2085
01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:36,840
that might be a little bit more

2086
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:38,940
challenging because I believe what we're

2087
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,719
seeing as the shadow just happens to be

2088
01:41:46,970 --> 01:41:44,880
the energetic modality that they're

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using to enter into our plane of

2090
01:41:50,810 --> 01:41:48,420
existence so

2091
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:50,820
you know with shadow people uh you know

2092
01:41:54,850 --> 01:41:53,100
they could be uh human Spirits it could

2093
01:41:58,010 --> 01:41:54,860
be interdimensional beings it could be

2094
01:41:59,570 --> 01:41:58,020
extraterrestrials and uh and a lot of

2095
01:42:01,129 --> 01:41:59,580
other different things you know they

2096
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,139
could even be light beans but the light

2097
01:42:04,609 --> 01:42:03,119
is so beyond the the spectrum that our

2098
01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:04,619
eyes can view that all we're seeing is

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01:42:10,010 --> 01:42:06,119
the being in the middle rather than the

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01:42:12,410 --> 01:42:10,020
light so to be able to you know ask

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01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:12,420
somebody or some entity to say hey

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appear to me as a shadow they might not

2103
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:16,920
actually know how to do that like they

2104
01:42:21,530 --> 01:42:19,199
could appear and however your eyes are

2105
01:42:23,870 --> 01:42:21,540
able to perceive it as a Shimmer as a

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01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:23,880
shadow as an apparition you know that

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01:42:29,570 --> 01:42:25,920
that's the way your eyes function

2108
01:42:33,169 --> 01:42:29,580
well Slenderman

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01:42:37,370 --> 01:42:33,179
I think Slenderman is an example of you

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know it got so big and and and so huge

2111
01:42:42,649 --> 01:42:39,960
and so popular that I think people were

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manifesting Slenderman in into their

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01:42:46,609 --> 01:42:45,000
life I I'll give you an example me

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01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,619
personally

2115
01:42:52,970 --> 01:42:49,440
um uh the game Grand Theft Auto

2116
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,980
okay there was a there was a stage in

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the game

2118
01:43:01,250 --> 01:42:57,960
where you would get out of your car and

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01:43:04,430 --> 01:43:01,260
walk up to uh in the in this section

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01:43:06,250 --> 01:43:04,440
there was like this cabin in in this

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01:43:08,890 --> 01:43:06,260
little section of woods anyway

2122
01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:08,900
Slenderman would pop up and follow you

2123
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,420
right and you could get this going and

2124
01:43:15,950 --> 01:43:13,920
so I'm playing Grandad I thought it was

2125
01:43:18,649 --> 01:43:15,960
kind of cute at first so I'm you know I

2126
01:43:21,530 --> 01:43:18,659
got two days of Slenderman you know

2127
01:43:23,570 --> 01:43:21,540
following me and walking and and you get

2128
01:43:25,729 --> 01:43:23,580
into this house and Slenderman is is

2129
01:43:29,090 --> 01:43:25,739
trying to get in and then it's like

2130
01:43:32,689 --> 01:43:29,100
anyway dude I dreamed that stuff for

2131
01:43:35,629 --> 01:43:32,699
like two months nice right I manifested

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01:43:38,270 --> 01:43:35,639
that right into my dreams

2133
01:43:40,850 --> 01:43:38,280
um and I've I really feel that

2134
01:43:42,970 --> 01:43:40,860
Slenderman uh because of the power of

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01:43:46,609 --> 01:43:42,980
the internet right

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01:43:50,030 --> 01:43:46,619
entanglement of of Hive minds and

2137
01:43:52,430 --> 01:43:50,040
everybody you know I went and and I I

2138
01:43:55,609 --> 01:43:52,440
seriously manifested Slenderman into my

2139
01:43:58,129 --> 01:43:55,619
I'm going to what was that that creepy

2140
01:44:00,410 --> 01:43:58,139
pasta or creepy pasta is the the website

2141
01:44:03,050 --> 01:44:00,420
that houses all of his lore and

2142
01:44:06,770 --> 01:44:03,060
everything these days I listened to

2143
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:06,780
story I do not go Slenderman you know

2144
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:08,760
catching the new the new Slenderman

2145
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:11,760
story and and listen to that when I uh

2146
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,260
you know would go to bed and I

2147
01:44:17,689 --> 01:44:15,600
manifested uh Slenderman right into my

2148
01:44:19,729 --> 01:44:17,699
world yeah all of that from a Photoshop

2149
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:19,739
contest which is where he originated but

2150
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:22,080
but yeah I mean you're talking about the

2151
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:24,960
idea of of a tulpa or uh you know the

2152
01:44:29,149 --> 01:44:27,420
Buddhist idea of a thought form of being

2153
01:44:33,229 --> 01:44:29,159
able to put so much energy into

2154
01:44:35,209 --> 01:44:33,239
something to create ancient being from

2155
01:44:37,790 --> 01:44:35,219
your thoughts and

2156
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:37,800
specifically speaking on Shadows there's

2157
01:44:43,609 --> 01:44:41,280
a fascinating story from years ago and I

2158
01:44:45,470 --> 01:44:43,619
first came across it in all places The

2159
01:44:47,149 --> 01:44:45,480
Mothman Prophecies it has nothing to do

2160
01:44:49,370 --> 01:44:47,159
with the Mothman but it's like right

2161
01:44:52,490 --> 01:44:49,380
there chapter one of the Mothman

2162
01:44:57,470 --> 01:44:52,500
Prophecies and uh heels talking about it

2163
01:45:01,790 --> 01:44:57,480
in this story is of Walter bibson who

2164
01:45:03,470 --> 01:45:01,800
under the pseudonym Maxwell Grant wrote

2165
01:45:06,830 --> 01:45:03,480
the old Shadow stories you know the

2166
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:06,840
shadow knows uh the old Pope novels and

2167
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,360
when he moved out of his house in

2168
01:45:14,570 --> 01:45:11,760
Greenwich Village uh

2169
01:45:16,250 --> 01:45:14,580
all of a sudden people reporting this uh

2170
01:45:17,930 --> 01:45:16,260
this Shadow activity in the house they

2171
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:17,940
were seeing especially in the hallway

2172
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,400
this Shadow with a wide brimmed hat and

2173
01:45:22,910 --> 01:45:21,840
you had guys like households are going

2174
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:22,920
in there and others and they're they're

2175
01:45:26,209 --> 01:45:24,480
finding different you know Paranormal

2176
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:26,219
Activity and you know you talk Greenwich

2177
01:45:31,129 --> 01:45:29,040
Village uh no it's 12 Gay Street is the

2178
01:45:32,570 --> 01:45:31,139
is the address so it's a famous haunted

2179
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:32,580
house and they're finding all kinds of

2180
01:45:36,590 --> 01:45:34,080
things because uh you know the house was

2181
01:45:37,550 --> 01:45:36,600
built in the early 1800s but

2182
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:37,560
um you know some people started

2183
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,540
believing well maybe this is a you know

2184
01:45:43,490 --> 01:45:41,280
spy from the revolution or something

2185
01:45:47,390 --> 01:45:43,500
like that and

2186
01:45:49,010 --> 01:45:47,400
um so Keel and then also Gibson uh

2187
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:49,020
chimed in on this is like no no no no no

2188
01:45:56,090 --> 01:45:52,320
it's it's none of that what it actually

2189
01:45:58,609 --> 01:45:56,100
is is that Gibson had put so much effort

2190
01:46:02,209 --> 01:45:58,619
and passion into writing his stories and

2191
01:46:03,770 --> 01:46:02,219
we're talking like he had multiple uh

2192
01:46:04,790 --> 01:46:03,780
typewriters set up around the house you

2193
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,800
know he didn't we didn't have they

2194
01:46:07,490 --> 01:46:06,239
didn't have word processors back in the

2195
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:07,500
day you know you didn't have multiple

2196
01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:10,080
documents uh open on your computer he

2197
01:46:14,810 --> 01:46:13,020
had multiple typewriters set up and his

2198
01:46:17,209 --> 01:46:14,820
fingers would bleed just Bam Bam Bam

2199
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:17,219
pipe you know typing out on these typers

2200
01:46:22,490 --> 01:46:20,159
he was writing two novels per month plus

2201
01:46:25,790 --> 01:46:22,500
he was writing all the other stories

2202
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:25,800
within uh the shadow magazine so he was

2203
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:27,360
just constantly you know all of this

2204
01:46:32,750 --> 01:46:30,840
energy that he was putting out both Keel

2205
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:32,760
and Gibson are saying no no this is

2206
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:36,239
actually Lamont Cranston this is the

2207
01:46:40,970 --> 01:46:38,340
shadow that is actually manifested

2208
01:46:42,609 --> 01:46:40,980
itself as its own sentient being within

2209
01:46:47,570 --> 01:46:42,619
this house

2210
01:46:50,750 --> 01:46:47,580
the uh the theater of the mind that the

2211
01:46:53,390 --> 01:46:50,760
shadow knows with radio I can only

2212
01:46:55,070 --> 01:46:53,400
imagine uh what that did to America back

2213
01:46:57,290 --> 01:46:55,080
then because you you're your your

2214
01:46:59,450 --> 01:46:57,300
imagination you know you're listening to

2215
01:47:00,250 --> 01:46:59,460
the radio in the dark you're listening

2216
01:47:02,890 --> 01:47:00,260
to

2217
01:47:05,689 --> 01:47:02,900
tremendous theater radio

2218
01:47:07,850 --> 01:47:05,699
uh done with the intention to scare the

2219
01:47:10,010 --> 01:47:07,860
crap out of you right right and your

2220
01:47:13,370 --> 01:47:10,020
imagination and I'm just wondering how

2221
01:47:17,450 --> 01:47:13,380
many people manifested you know uh the

2222
01:47:19,490 --> 01:47:17,460
the shadow knows into their into their

2223
01:47:20,990 --> 01:47:19,500
own homes yeah it's possible I'm sure

2224
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:21,000
plenty of people had nightmares at least

2225
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:23,400
over it uh because everybody you know

2226
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:24,960
what's interesting about that you know

2227
01:47:29,870 --> 01:47:27,840
we're we're very very visual today with

2228
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:29,880
you know our our Cinema and our

2229
01:47:34,430 --> 01:47:32,400
television shows and all of that

2230
01:47:36,590 --> 01:47:34,440
um back then when they're listening to

2231
01:47:38,450 --> 01:47:36,600
these stories every person had a

2232
01:47:39,890 --> 01:47:38,460
different idea as to what the shadow

2233
01:47:41,810 --> 01:47:39,900
looked like

2234
01:47:45,649 --> 01:47:41,820
yeah I do

2235
01:47:46,910 --> 01:47:45,659
um uh another thing uh there's a couple

2236
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:46,920
of series

2237
01:47:52,189 --> 01:47:49,920
on Audible and I like the way that

2238
01:47:53,810 --> 01:47:52,199
audible they bring in actors they've got

2239
01:47:56,270 --> 01:47:53,820
the sound effects it's just like Orson

2240
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:56,280
Welles right yeah and uh they've got

2241
01:48:00,890 --> 01:47:58,080
everything going on and I'm listening to

2242
01:48:04,129 --> 01:48:00,900
some pretty pretty interesting stuff at

2243
01:48:07,550 --> 01:48:04,139
night that uh you fall asleep to that

2244
01:48:10,609 --> 01:48:07,560
and you're you're you're listening to it

2245
01:48:13,550 --> 01:48:10,619
you're asleep and it takes you straight

2246
01:48:16,209 --> 01:48:13,560
there tremendous tremendous visual

2247
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:16,219
dreams that had to have been going on

2248
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:19,440
Creepypasta did that to me oh man I just

2249
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:22,560
they did a number on you huh well I I I

2250
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:25,760
probably did a solid year of of

2251
01:48:30,290 --> 01:48:27,920
Creepypasta every night

2252
01:48:32,770 --> 01:48:30,300
it's a bad addiction because it's it's

2253
01:48:35,689 --> 01:48:32,780
amazing right and some of these stories

2254
01:48:37,850 --> 01:48:35,699
uh for me the longer the better right

2255
01:48:40,729 --> 01:48:37,860
there's five minute Creepypasta there's

2256
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:40,739
30 minute Creepypasta and you know give

2257
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:43,560
me the long you know the long the long

2258
01:48:47,330 --> 01:48:45,360
crazy story and

2259
01:48:51,050 --> 01:48:47,340
um uh I'll tell you who does it for me

2260
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,060
now not to get too sidetracked but Ryan

2261
01:48:54,970 --> 01:48:53,760
Murphy American Horror Story oh yeah

2262
01:49:01,310 --> 01:48:54,980
yeah

2263
01:49:03,050 --> 01:49:01,320
new one Watcher is is also very good but

2264
01:49:05,090 --> 01:49:03,060
but if

2265
01:49:07,310 --> 01:49:05,100
um here's the crazy part I was talking

2266
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:07,320
about this last night with Tony Raffin

2267
01:49:13,550 --> 01:49:10,500
Ryan Murphy and I uh went to the same

2268
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:13,560
high school together right yeah yeah

2269
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:17,040
yeah yeah yeah and I don't know

2270
01:49:20,270 --> 01:49:18,000
oh

2271
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:20,280
I don't know what was going on in his

2272
01:49:23,810 --> 01:49:21,840
neighborhood a couple of blocks away

2273
01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:23,820
from mine

2274
01:49:31,970 --> 01:49:27,780
I I grew up to be pretty normal Ryan is

2275
01:49:35,090 --> 01:49:31,980
Twisted man his his storytelling and and

2276
01:49:36,530 --> 01:49:35,100
where he comes up with this stuff uh it

2277
01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:36,540
scares the crap out of me it's it's

2278
01:49:42,410 --> 01:49:40,020
really well done which takes me uh to

2279
01:49:45,169 --> 01:49:42,420
this Segway uh it's a pretty smooth one

2280
01:49:47,930 --> 01:49:45,179
historically

2281
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:47,940
Shadow People the Fedora the dude the

2282
01:49:53,149 --> 01:49:50,880
thing this this has been around for a

2283
01:49:56,750 --> 01:49:53,159
very long time this isn't some Modern

2284
01:49:58,669 --> 01:49:56,760
phenomena of of the internet age uh

2285
01:50:00,770 --> 01:49:58,679
historically this goes back hundreds of

2286
01:50:02,450 --> 01:50:00,780
years oh thousands

2287
01:50:04,370 --> 01:50:02,460
um yeah this stuff has been around for

2288
01:50:08,030 --> 01:50:04,380
forever you know you can take it back to

2289
01:50:09,770 --> 01:50:08,040
ancient Sumer and the uh they had

2290
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:09,780
entities that they called u-dogs we've

2291
01:50:13,310 --> 01:50:11,760
translated the word into demon but it's

2292
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:13,320
really not the same thing because he had

2293
01:50:20,750 --> 01:50:17,040
good and bad ones uh so there was one

2294
01:50:23,090 --> 01:50:20,760
particular uh named Aloo and it very

2295
01:50:25,010 --> 01:50:23,100
much like what we would consider a

2296
01:50:27,229 --> 01:50:25,020
shadow person today where you know it

2297
01:50:29,090 --> 01:50:27,239
would hover over people at night it had

2298
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:29,100
no facial features you know no eyes on

2299
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:30,480
those about that sort of thing it

2300
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,920
actually didn't even have any limbs so

2301
01:50:35,930 --> 01:50:33,360
it didn't have any arms and legs either

2302
01:50:37,129 --> 01:50:35,940
and it was a it was a binding Spirit of

2303
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:37,139
what they called The Binding Spirit you

2304
01:50:41,330 --> 01:50:38,760
know the person would suffer some from

2305
01:50:43,729 --> 01:50:41,340
some sort of sleep paralysis so

2306
01:50:45,050 --> 01:50:43,739
um you had this udug or demon hovering

2307
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:45,060
over a person and then the shaman would

2308
01:50:50,810 --> 01:50:48,239
come in and invoke a good Demon or a

2309
01:50:52,850 --> 01:50:50,820
good dog to do battle with it but then

2310
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:52,860
you know we're talking Egypt earlier

2311
01:50:58,010 --> 01:50:55,679
and with their Shadows you know it was

2312
01:51:00,350 --> 01:50:58,020
part of their their religion their

2313
01:51:02,450 --> 01:51:00,360
belief system of the afterlife where you

2314
01:51:04,490 --> 01:51:02,460
know you had multiple different parts of

2315
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,500
the soul and most of those upon death

2316
01:51:09,890 --> 01:51:06,480
would go on to the constellation of

2317
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:09,900
Orion but then he had two parts the KA

2318
01:51:15,290 --> 01:51:12,719
the animating part of the soul and the

2319
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:15,300
kbit the shadow that would stay here on

2320
01:51:19,609 --> 01:51:18,000
Earth now the KA eventually would go off

2321
01:51:20,570 --> 01:51:19,619
of the constellation of Orion what would

2322
01:51:22,910 --> 01:51:20,580
happen there you see a lot of these

2323
01:51:25,729 --> 01:51:22,920
tombs that have the false doors and the

2324
01:51:28,370 --> 01:51:25,739
idea was that the uh the car would

2325
01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:28,380
eventually uh pass through that doorway

2326
01:51:34,430 --> 01:51:31,560
onto Orion but the cave it the shadow

2327
01:51:36,410 --> 01:51:34,440
would still roam around here on Earth

2328
01:51:38,750 --> 01:51:36,420
and there's a fantastic depiction of

2329
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,760
this in the uh the tomb of arinifer in

2330
01:51:43,070 --> 01:51:40,320
the thiba necropolis where you see the

2331
01:51:45,590 --> 01:51:43,080
Bob herbs that are taking flight going

2332
01:51:48,109 --> 01:51:45,600
off to Orion and there's the the shadow

2333
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,119
just hanging out by the tomb basically

2334
01:51:52,370 --> 01:51:50,639
doomed here forever on Earth so you see

2335
01:51:55,850 --> 01:51:52,380
a lot of that in these different ancient

2336
01:51:58,250 --> 01:51:55,860
cultures what when did the uh well get

2337
01:52:01,490 --> 01:51:58,260
to the Fedora in a second because I

2338
01:52:06,109 --> 01:52:01,500
think that is fast but the top hat came

2339
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:06,119
in and and he suddenly had uh I mean

2340
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:08,940
story after Story an encounter after

2341
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:12,239
Encounter of these I I almost said Men

2342
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:15,360
In Black you know these Shadows with

2343
01:52:21,530 --> 01:52:18,239
wearing wearing top hats and and black

2344
01:52:24,830 --> 01:52:21,540
overcoats and no faces and and suddenly

2345
01:52:26,990 --> 01:52:24,840
this pops up in in pop culture yeah you

2346
01:52:28,609 --> 01:52:27,000
see it uh you know even today people are

2347
01:52:29,870 --> 01:52:28,619
still seeing these things that you know

2348
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:29,880
whether they have the top hat or the

2349
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,400
Fedora sometimes I have a cape uh with

2350
01:52:37,310 --> 01:52:34,800
the fedorism I have a trench coat but um

2351
01:52:38,810 --> 01:52:37,320
yeah it seemed like for a while it seen

2352
01:52:40,970 --> 01:52:38,820
it was

2353
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:40,980
um accustomed to whatever the style was

2354
01:52:45,770 --> 01:52:43,380
at that time but a lot of these have

2355
01:52:49,070 --> 01:52:45,780
hung around too you know so that the top

2356
01:52:52,370 --> 01:52:49,080
hat guy he wasn't just you know 1800s

2357
01:52:55,689 --> 01:52:52,380
Victoria era people today still see that

2358
01:53:01,490 --> 01:52:58,790
the Fedora

2359
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,500
um over and over again I've I've looked

2360
01:53:07,310 --> 01:53:03,840
at illustrations and and heard the

2361
01:53:09,770 --> 01:53:07,320
stories and and and and suddenly uh

2362
01:53:11,209 --> 01:53:09,780
we've got we've got the Fedora shadow

2363
01:53:15,169 --> 01:53:11,219
man

2364
01:53:18,109 --> 01:53:15,179
um is there an origin to this uh when

2365
01:53:21,590 --> 01:53:18,119
did this start to pop up yeah you know

2366
01:53:24,050 --> 01:53:21,600
um some ideas are that it's some sort of

2367
01:53:27,410 --> 01:53:24,060
trickster entity uh that's trying to

2368
01:53:29,149 --> 01:53:27,420
take on the uh you know the image of a

2369
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,159
human being trying to blend in as as

2370
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,199
much as they can but then you have

2371
01:53:36,770 --> 01:53:33,360
fascinating stories like Albert K Bender

2372
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:36,780
from the 1950s where you know he walks

2373
01:53:40,189 --> 01:53:38,760
and he had founded the UF uh the

2374
01:53:42,169 --> 01:53:40,199
international flights officer Bureau he

2375
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:42,179
was doing a bunch of UFO research he was

2376
01:53:48,109 --> 01:53:45,119
a government dude he was military and

2377
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:48,119
was an agency Dude too as well

2378
01:53:53,570 --> 01:53:51,360
um uh continue sorry yeah no no you're

2379
01:53:55,970 --> 01:53:53,580
fine uh but he walks into his bedroom in

2380
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:55,980
one night and all of a sudden he

2381
01:54:02,090 --> 01:54:00,000
Witnesses these three dark shadowy hat

2382
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,100
wearing entities with glowing eyes

2383
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:04,800
smelling of sulfur materialized through

2384
01:54:08,510 --> 01:54:06,840
the wall in history yeah came straight

2385
01:54:10,430 --> 01:54:08,520
through his walls yeah came straight

2386
01:54:13,209 --> 01:54:10,440
through the walls and they told him you

2387
01:54:16,669 --> 01:54:13,219
need to stop your UFO research right now

2388
01:54:18,830 --> 01:54:16,679
and you know I hear that story and I'm

2389
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,840
like well these are you know these are

2390
01:54:22,970 --> 01:54:21,360
our hat men you know our paranormal uh

2391
01:54:25,129 --> 01:54:22,980
you know Shadow entities

2392
01:54:27,169 --> 01:54:25,139
Bender's story is that no these are

2393
01:54:28,910 --> 01:54:27,179
actually extraterrestrials and they are

2394
01:54:30,890 --> 01:54:28,920
warning him off the UFO research because

2395
01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:30,900
they were harvesting resources from

2396
01:54:34,250 --> 01:54:32,040
Antarctica

2397
01:54:36,109 --> 01:54:34,260
you know and he couldn't until their

2398
01:54:37,790 --> 01:54:36,119
15-year mission was done he couldn't say

2399
01:54:40,189 --> 01:54:37,800
anything about it and he didn't talk

2400
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:40,199
about it he didn't he did it thousand

2401
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:43,440
years yeah until he uh put it in a book

2402
01:54:47,330 --> 01:54:45,119
yeah flying saucers in the three men's

2403
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:47,340
shelf behind me

2404
01:54:50,330 --> 01:54:48,960
um but other people hear the story and

2405
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,340
they're like oh these are the Men in

2406
01:54:54,169 --> 01:54:52,320
Black the Men in Black right yeah so

2407
01:54:57,050 --> 01:54:54,179
it's almost like we're almost talking

2408
01:55:00,169 --> 01:54:57,060
about one in the same thing you know uh

2409
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:00,179
you know shadow people uh the the Hat

2410
01:55:04,609 --> 01:55:02,639
Man sort of thing extraterrestrials the

2411
01:55:06,050 --> 01:55:04,619
Men in Black they all kind of won in the

2412
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:06,060
same here and it's just a different

2413
01:55:11,209 --> 01:55:08,400
context depending on who witnesses it it

2414
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:11,219
it it it just and it evolved into Paul

2415
01:55:19,310 --> 01:55:16,320
uh pop culture so much like uh uh the TV

2416
01:55:21,790 --> 01:55:19,320
show Fringe right yeah yeah the Observer

2417
01:55:24,649 --> 01:55:21,800
yeah the Observer right

2418
01:55:28,370 --> 01:55:24,659
Fedora black trench coat across the

2419
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,380
street I can me out yeah no I I love

2420
01:55:31,790 --> 01:55:30,000
that because there's always somewhere in

2421
01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:31,800
the show was The Observer and so yeah I

2422
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:33,119
would we'd have a good time trying to

2423
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,560
pick up oh Observer over there in the

2424
01:55:38,510 --> 01:55:36,960
corner yeah Fedora you know and like I

2425
01:55:43,070 --> 01:55:38,520
said it just it just it came straight

2426
01:55:45,709 --> 01:55:43,080
into pop culture and again

2427
01:55:47,570 --> 01:55:45,719
um I I can't help but feel that if you

2428
01:55:51,770 --> 01:55:47,580
see it enough if you hear it enough if

2429
01:55:55,129 --> 01:55:51,780
you're reading it enough uh you will uh

2430
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:55,139
you can you know Manifest this in into

2431
01:56:00,109 --> 01:55:58,080
your own life and see something

2432
01:56:02,689 --> 01:56:00,119
um and because

2433
01:56:05,810 --> 01:56:02,699
you're you're attracting it yeah you

2434
01:56:07,609 --> 01:56:05,820
start to tune into it yeah because you

2435
01:56:09,109 --> 01:56:07,619
know some people see more Shadows than

2436
01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:09,119
apparitions other people see more

2437
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:11,280
apparitions than shadows and I think

2438
01:56:15,470 --> 01:56:13,199
it's one of those things that

2439
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,480
um the more you start to interact or

2440
01:56:19,609 --> 01:56:18,000
tune your personal frequency resonance

2441
01:56:21,410 --> 01:56:19,619
and vibration into that type of

2442
01:56:24,770 --> 01:56:21,420
phenomenon the more you're going to see

2443
01:56:26,270 --> 01:56:24,780
it now uh let's let's backtrack a little

2444
01:56:30,050 --> 01:56:26,280
bit here okay

2445
01:56:32,270 --> 01:56:30,060
um because with uh Albert K bender and

2446
01:56:35,149 --> 01:56:32,280
some will say that this was the first

2447
01:56:36,830 --> 01:56:35,159
mention of Men In Black in in in history

2448
01:56:41,209 --> 01:56:36,840
right

2449
01:56:43,330 --> 01:56:41,219
um is is there a possibility here that

2450
01:56:46,850 --> 01:56:43,340
the Men in Black

2451
01:56:50,030 --> 01:56:46,860
and the the fedoras the the the shadow

2452
01:56:53,090 --> 01:56:50,040
are we talking about the same thing

2453
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:53,100
I mean possibly and actually the the Men

2454
01:56:57,649 --> 01:56:54,840
in Black kind of predated that because

2455
01:57:01,010 --> 01:56:57,659
that went back to the the Montauk siding

2456
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:01,020
with the with the um with the slag that

2457
01:57:07,010 --> 01:57:04,320
fell out of the sky with the um oh uh it

2458
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,020
was uh Mori Island there we go there we

2459
01:57:11,689 --> 01:57:09,840
go I knew it began with an M yeah that

2460
01:57:14,089 --> 01:57:11,699
was the first man in Black yeah so that

2461
01:57:15,649 --> 01:57:14,099
had been a while which is why a lot of

2462
01:57:17,589 --> 01:57:15,659
people started speculating okay Bender

2463
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:17,599
fell off the map he closed up this

2464
01:57:21,709 --> 01:57:20,159
organization that you know blew up in a

2465
01:57:22,910 --> 01:57:21,719
year went International in a year back

2466
01:57:24,109 --> 01:57:22,920
in the time we didn't have the internet

2467
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,119
you know

2468
01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:26,159
um it was in the UK it was

2469
01:57:30,050 --> 01:57:28,800
um it was in Australia and also boom he

2470
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:30,060
shuts it down that's why people were

2471
01:57:32,810 --> 01:57:31,679
speculating what did the Men in Black

2472
01:57:35,209 --> 01:57:32,820
get the Bender

2473
01:57:37,550 --> 01:57:35,219
sort of you know depending on what you

2474
01:57:40,609 --> 01:57:37,560
believe these things were yeah the the

2475
01:57:44,930 --> 01:57:40,619
same month if we go back uh to Mori

2476
01:57:48,589 --> 01:57:44,940
Island 1947 uh in a two-month period we

2477
01:57:51,470 --> 01:57:48,599
had that we had Kenneth Arnold we had

2478
01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:51,480
Roswell tucked in the middle of that

2479
01:57:56,750 --> 01:57:53,580
though was another Men In Black

2480
01:57:59,689 --> 01:57:56,760
experience uh with Rhodes and his

2481
01:58:03,649 --> 01:57:59,699
photographs in Phoenix uh Arizona

2482
01:58:07,910 --> 01:58:03,659
and to me I think that his photographs

2483
01:58:12,770 --> 01:58:07,920
the three uh which show a black triangle

2484
01:58:15,890 --> 01:58:12,780
uh 1947 uh kind of like a uh

2485
01:58:18,890 --> 01:58:15,900
a rounded front anyway strange

2486
01:58:21,169 --> 01:58:18,900
photographs uh for sure

2487
01:58:23,450 --> 01:58:21,179
um right before Roswell you know tucked

2488
01:58:26,810 --> 01:58:23,460
in the middle all of this happened uh

2489
01:58:28,970 --> 01:58:26,820
you know in in June and July 1947.

2490
01:58:32,330 --> 01:58:28,980
here's the thing

2491
01:58:34,790 --> 01:58:32,340
Rhodes said uh you know he takes the

2492
01:58:36,609 --> 01:58:34,800
pictures uh they're published in you

2493
01:58:39,350 --> 01:58:36,619
know the city newspaper there in Phoenix

2494
01:58:40,910 --> 01:58:39,360
he gets the knock

2495
01:58:44,330 --> 01:58:40,920
front door

2496
01:58:47,089 --> 01:58:44,340
three dudes black suits and he gave this

2497
01:58:49,729 --> 01:58:47,099
account also in 1947. he didn't know

2498
01:58:51,950 --> 01:58:49,739
anything about Maury Island right nobody

2499
01:58:54,890 --> 01:58:51,960
at that time yeah I mean that was that

2500
01:58:58,850 --> 01:58:54,900
was local tomorrow a local story local

2501
01:59:02,209 --> 01:58:58,860
story and uh and and and they demanded

2502
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:02,219
his photographs and and he gave them up

2503
01:59:07,729 --> 01:59:04,320
he gave up the photographs gave up the

2504
01:59:10,910 --> 01:59:07,739
negatives they split and the photograph

2505
01:59:14,649 --> 01:59:10,920
showed up in his mailbox a year later

2506
01:59:17,089 --> 01:59:14,659
yeah but again a Men In Black reference

2507
01:59:20,930 --> 01:59:17,099
uh very similar the same same

2508
01:59:23,570 --> 01:59:20,940
description uh I think he said there was

2509
01:59:25,490 --> 01:59:23,580
something else about Rhodes uh when he

2510
01:59:27,410 --> 01:59:25,500
was talking to the local newspaper it

2511
01:59:29,089 --> 01:59:27,420
was like a big story you know they

2512
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:29,099
showed up and took the photographs after

2513
01:59:34,850 --> 01:59:31,260
they were published in the newspaper he

2514
01:59:37,010 --> 01:59:34,860
also described a black sedan in front of

2515
01:59:39,530 --> 01:59:37,020
his house right yeah the black sedans

2516
01:59:41,870 --> 01:59:39,540
everything yeah everything is black and

2517
01:59:43,609 --> 01:59:41,880
those those yeah it's one of those

2518
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:43,619
creepy things okay you know you've

2519
01:59:47,649 --> 01:59:45,840
reported something the black sedan rolls

2520
01:59:50,629 --> 01:59:47,659
up is I don't know

2521
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:50,639
here they come

2522
01:59:55,810 --> 01:59:52,800
in it's because

2523
01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:55,820
um going back to Albert K Bender that

2524
02:00:01,370 --> 01:59:59,040
there's a possibility here that we're

2525
02:00:05,330 --> 02:00:01,380
talking about extraterrestrials posing

2526
02:00:07,970 --> 02:00:05,340
as humans and they need to look humans

2527
02:00:11,930 --> 02:00:07,980
so they pick what they think is the

2528
02:00:15,950 --> 02:00:11,940
right car and this is black sedan and

2529
02:00:18,890 --> 02:00:15,960
it's like uh standard issue for them and

2530
02:00:21,290 --> 02:00:18,900
they're trying to blend in yeah I mean

2531
02:00:23,209 --> 02:00:21,300
that's that's part of the idea uh and

2532
02:00:25,790 --> 02:00:23,219
you know black car has got a one of the

2533
02:00:27,229 --> 02:00:25,800
easiest ways to to blend in for mode of

2534
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:27,239
transportation so it makes a lot of

2535
02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:29,520
sense and then yeah I mean we're gonna

2536
02:00:34,070 --> 02:00:31,860
we're gonna dress all in black uh it's

2537
02:00:35,810 --> 02:00:34,080
it's very nondescript I mean how do you

2538
02:00:37,810 --> 02:00:35,820
describe how do you describe somebody

2539
02:00:40,970 --> 02:00:37,820
that's dressed in black you know

2540
02:00:43,609 --> 02:00:40,980
and in your research uh have you had a

2541
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:43,619
Men In Black experience yourself

2542
02:00:50,870 --> 02:00:46,690
I I mean I knew some of those guys

2543
02:00:54,890 --> 02:00:50,880
[Laughter]

2544
02:00:56,209 --> 02:00:54,900
you know so yeah yeah go ahead I didn't

2545
02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:56,219
hang out with him at the office water

2546
02:01:01,669 --> 02:00:57,840
cooler but

2547
02:01:03,649 --> 02:01:01,679
um yeah in the NSA circles you met a

2548
02:01:06,290 --> 02:01:03,659
couple of those guys

2549
02:01:09,050 --> 02:01:06,300
um and there were times that I had to go

2550
02:01:12,649 --> 02:01:09,060
off site to some place hidden in plain

2551
02:01:14,870 --> 02:01:12,659
sight uh in my my job was to you know

2552
02:01:17,030 --> 02:01:14,880
fix and work on computers and I'm

2553
02:01:18,589 --> 02:01:17,040
dressed in a suit so people kind of you

2554
02:01:19,850 --> 02:01:18,599
know poke fun at me or whatever so oh

2555
02:01:22,010 --> 02:01:19,860
you're a man in Black well not really

2556
02:01:23,629 --> 02:01:22,020
yes I had to put on a suit and make you

2557
02:01:25,910 --> 02:01:23,639
know make it seem like I wasn't involved

2558
02:01:27,589 --> 02:01:25,920
with the with the government or military

2559
02:01:31,430 --> 02:01:27,599
or anything but

2560
02:01:34,010 --> 02:01:31,440
those guys would be there yeah

2561
02:01:36,290 --> 02:01:34,020
um when we come back after the break I'm

2562
02:01:39,109 --> 02:01:36,300
I'm writing this down so I don't forget

2563
02:01:41,570 --> 02:01:39,119
I'm gonna I I I don't think I've told

2564
02:01:45,109 --> 02:01:41,580
the story on the air

2565
02:01:47,109 --> 02:01:45,119
uh I'm gonna do a setup for you

2566
02:01:50,649 --> 02:01:47,119
um I had a friend

2567
02:01:53,470 --> 02:01:50,659
that uh I knew pretty well at the time

2568
02:01:56,570 --> 02:01:53,480
uh was

2569
02:02:00,290 --> 02:01:56,580
applying for

2570
02:02:03,649 --> 02:02:00,300
a high level security position uh within

2571
02:02:06,109 --> 02:02:03,659
the government and it was I can't say a

2572
02:02:07,370 --> 02:02:06,119
whole lot but let's say it had to do

2573
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:07,380
with

2574
02:02:11,709 --> 02:02:09,599
something like

2575
02:02:13,430 --> 02:02:11,719
uh

2576
02:02:16,609 --> 02:02:13,440
confirming

2577
02:02:19,629 --> 02:02:16,619
missile treaties right I mean like crazy

2578
02:02:22,729 --> 02:02:19,639
high level you know something like

2579
02:02:25,370 --> 02:02:22,739
something in that general area and he

2580
02:02:26,089 --> 02:02:25,380
comes to me and he says okay uh Jimmy

2581
02:02:29,810 --> 02:02:26,099
um

2582
02:02:33,169 --> 02:02:29,820
you're going to be contacted uh by a

2583
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:33,179
special agent and and they're going to

2584
02:02:37,550 --> 02:02:35,520
do a character interview with you about

2585
02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:37,560
me are you cool with that

2586
02:02:43,910 --> 02:02:40,800
it's like we'd bring it man let's go

2587
02:02:45,950 --> 02:02:43,920
let's go so what happened and how it

2588
02:02:47,810 --> 02:02:45,960
went down I'll tell you the story when

2589
02:02:52,010 --> 02:02:47,820
we come back after the break it was nuts

2590
02:02:53,570 --> 02:02:52,020
it was one of the craziest cool but it

2591
02:02:55,129 --> 02:02:53,580
was nuts and we'll do that right after

2592
02:02:57,770 --> 02:02:55,139
the break our guest tonight the one and

2593
02:03:00,169 --> 02:02:57,780
only Mike ricksecker this is Fade to

2594
02:03:02,990 --> 02:03:00,179
blacks tonight two of our Halloween week

2595
02:03:06,410 --> 02:03:03,000
talking about Shadow People Slenderman

2596
02:03:07,970 --> 02:03:06,420
the Fedora dudes Men In Black all of

2597
02:03:11,570 --> 02:03:07,980
that stuff it's Halloween we'll be right

2598
02:03:11,580 --> 02:03:15,260
foreign

2599
02:03:31,850 --> 02:03:24,480
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2600
02:03:36,830 --> 02:03:34,490
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2601
02:03:38,990 --> 02:03:36,840
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02:03:41,209 --> 02:03:39,000
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02:03:43,970 --> 02:03:41,219
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2604
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02:06:22,609 --> 02:06:18,719
rush why Fade to Black because you never

2656
02:06:24,109 --> 02:06:22,619
got that pony damn it

2657
02:06:26,270 --> 02:06:24,119
yeah

2658
02:06:29,870 --> 02:06:26,280
this is Fade to Black with Jimmy Church

2659
02:06:33,980 --> 02:06:29,880
on the game changer Radio Network

2660
02:06:47,330 --> 02:06:45,010
[Music]

2661
02:06:50,990 --> 02:06:47,340
Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm your host

2662
02:06:56,270 --> 02:06:54,050
Halloween weeks uh heading into October

2663
02:06:59,149 --> 02:06:56,280
31st

2664
02:07:00,830 --> 02:06:59,159
it's the kunx uh one year anniversary

2665
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:00,840
special event uh we're going to

2666
02:07:06,109 --> 02:07:03,119
broadcast it live here on Fade to Black

2667
02:07:07,370 --> 02:07:06,119
uh with race Hobbs and Margie k and a

2668
02:07:10,669 --> 02:07:07,380
bunch of special guests we're going to

2669
02:07:13,129 --> 02:07:10,679
be doing uh some paranormal stuff some

2670
02:07:14,930 --> 02:07:13,139
uh we're going to do a paranormal live

2671
02:07:16,129 --> 02:07:14,940
investigation on the air too as well

2672
02:07:18,729 --> 02:07:16,139
that's gonna happen it's going to be

2673
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:18,739
great and that's Monday Halloween

2674
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:22,560
October 31st tonight Mike ricksecker is

2675
02:07:30,350 --> 02:07:26,400
with us and uh before the break

2676
02:07:31,850 --> 02:07:30,360
um uh I was uh setting up this this this

2677
02:07:34,189 --> 02:07:31,860
interview

2678
02:07:37,790 --> 02:07:34,199
uh that I did with this with this agent

2679
02:07:40,910 --> 02:07:37,800
and so my friend tells me about this I

2680
02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:40,920
get the phone calls like the next day

2681
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:45,780
um On Cue and uh and this you know he

2682
02:07:51,470 --> 02:07:49,679
introduces himself and I I found out

2683
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:51,480
later he did his own little research

2684
02:07:56,810 --> 02:07:54,480
into me too as well and

2685
02:08:00,290 --> 02:07:56,820
um at the time I was doing sports radio

2686
02:08:03,550 --> 02:08:00,300
and uh he knew all about that anyway so

2687
02:08:07,850 --> 02:08:03,560
uh he goes I'll meet you

2688
02:08:09,530 --> 02:08:07,860
at the Starbucks at ColdWater and

2689
02:08:12,189 --> 02:08:09,540
Sherman Way

2690
02:08:15,410 --> 02:08:12,199
I went how do you how do you know that

2691
02:08:16,970 --> 02:08:15,420
I'm thinking this it's like you know a

2692
02:08:21,470 --> 02:08:16,980
couple blocks from my house kind of

2693
02:08:23,870 --> 02:08:21,480
thing and uh uh I was like okay whatever

2694
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:23,880
you know 11 o'clock 12 o'clock I'll see

2695
02:08:30,290 --> 02:08:27,360
you there so and it was the next day so

2696
02:08:32,089 --> 02:08:30,300
I pull into the Starbucks and I walk in

2697
02:08:35,209 --> 02:08:32,099
I'm like okay I wonder what he looks

2698
02:08:38,390 --> 02:08:35,219
like oh there he is right and and so

2699
02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:38,400
great dark gray suit almost black suit

2700
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:41,520
but it was dark gray big dude

2701
02:08:48,770 --> 02:08:45,840
um and uh we sit down he hands me his

2702
02:08:51,010 --> 02:08:48,780
business card and all that I love State

2703
02:08:55,850 --> 02:08:51,020
Department special agent

2704
02:08:58,189 --> 02:08:55,860
oh yeah yeah nice yeah yeah I still have

2705
02:08:59,629 --> 02:08:58,199
it I still have the card uh I saw it not

2706
02:09:01,729 --> 02:08:59,639
too long ago

2707
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:01,739
um so anyway but here's here's the

2708
02:09:05,930 --> 02:09:04,320
trippy part about this so we go through

2709
02:09:08,450 --> 02:09:05,940
and um

2710
02:09:10,490 --> 02:09:08,460
and we have you know the this thing we

2711
02:09:12,589 --> 02:09:10,500
drink coffee and we talk about my friend

2712
02:09:14,750 --> 02:09:12,599
and it's about a half hour

2713
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:14,760
and uh and he said okay thank you so

2714
02:09:18,109 --> 02:09:16,800
much and shakes my hand he goes I'm

2715
02:09:20,570 --> 02:09:18,119
Gonna Leave

2716
02:09:24,649 --> 02:09:20,580
and then you leave I was like wow that's

2717
02:09:26,450 --> 02:09:24,659
okay all right all right so he gets up

2718
02:09:30,050 --> 02:09:26,460
and I watch him walk out and I'm like

2719
02:09:33,290 --> 02:09:30,060
screw this and I got up man and I went

2720
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:33,300
outside I wanted to see his car yeah

2721
02:09:39,770 --> 02:09:36,480
definitely uh maybe take a picture I'm

2722
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:39,780
serious about all of this he was gone

2723
02:09:51,950 --> 02:09:48,609
paranormal I'm not I'm not going there

2724
02:09:54,770 --> 02:09:51,960
but he was definitely

2725
02:09:57,169 --> 02:09:54,780
picked up immediately you know so they

2726
02:10:00,109 --> 02:09:57,179
were right outside the door yeah yeah he

2727
02:10:02,510 --> 02:10:00,119
was gone he was God I was expecting him

2728
02:10:05,870 --> 02:10:02,520
to be you know walking up to a car and

2729
02:10:07,729 --> 02:10:05,880
unlocking the door it was it was that

2730
02:10:09,350 --> 02:10:07,739
close in the time he was gone

2731
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:09,360
or did he open the door and step right

2732
02:10:16,370 --> 02:10:12,560
into a portal yeah right right

2733
02:10:21,290 --> 02:10:16,380
it was bizarre man it was absolutely

2734
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:21,300
bizarre my friend got the job good yeah

2735
02:10:26,330 --> 02:10:23,280
I didn't talk I didn't talk to him for

2736
02:10:29,570 --> 02:10:26,340
like five years and uh and I got this

2737
02:10:32,990 --> 02:10:29,580
email out of the blue and uh Hey man and

2738
02:10:34,850 --> 02:10:33,000
I I but anyway I can't say anymore I I

2739
02:10:37,390 --> 02:10:34,860
can't say anything else but yeah it was

2740
02:10:41,689 --> 02:10:37,400
uh it was a very

2741
02:10:45,290 --> 02:10:41,699
very interesting you just heard that it

2742
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:45,300
was uh it was he did not it was funny he

2743
02:10:50,270 --> 02:10:47,760
did not he did not want to be uh

2744
02:10:52,790 --> 02:10:50,280
identified well I had his card I'm

2745
02:10:55,129 --> 02:10:52,800
talking about the car his entrance his

2746
02:10:58,070 --> 02:10:55,139
exit that was just a weird thing you

2747
02:11:00,370 --> 02:10:58,080
stay here I'm gonna split

2748
02:11:02,810 --> 02:11:00,380
yeah they don't they don't joke around

2749
02:11:04,970 --> 02:11:02,820
when I went into the air force because I

2750
02:11:06,669 --> 02:11:04,980
I needed a top secret security clearance

2751
02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:06,679
and you know a couple of different

2752
02:11:11,149 --> 02:11:09,119
compartments and things like that

2753
02:11:12,589 --> 02:11:11,159
and so and that was just a kid at the

2754
02:11:15,109 --> 02:11:12,599
time I was 18 years old when I went in

2755
02:11:17,870 --> 02:11:15,119
but they were they were hunting down

2756
02:11:21,649 --> 02:11:17,880
friends of mine across the country uh

2757
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:21,659
there was a i had graduated from

2758
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:24,239
um from a high school in Ohio they had

2759
02:11:28,850 --> 02:11:26,159
Tracked Down A friend of mine to

2760
02:11:30,950 --> 02:11:28,860
Louisiana and they were asking her about

2761
02:11:33,830 --> 02:11:30,960
some ex-girlfriend that I had had in

2762
02:11:35,810 --> 02:11:33,840
high school so which is kind of bizarre

2763
02:11:37,970 --> 02:11:35,820
but yeah they wanted to know every

2764
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:37,980
single little detail and they were you

2765
02:11:42,350 --> 02:11:39,599
know spare no expense we'll go across

2766
02:11:44,450 --> 02:11:42,360
the country looking for people yeah uh I

2767
02:11:46,250 --> 02:11:44,460
don't know I don't know when I'm going

2768
02:11:47,930 --> 02:11:46,260
to see you next but I I'll tell you a

2769
02:11:51,649 --> 02:11:47,940
couple of things I can't talk about on

2770
02:11:54,050 --> 02:11:51,659
the air but sure yeah uh about uh uh

2771
02:11:57,470 --> 02:11:54,060
things that go on in in the state

2772
02:11:59,810 --> 02:11:57,480
department and and in these subjects I I

2773
02:12:03,770 --> 02:11:59,820
find it fascinating

2774
02:12:06,050 --> 02:12:03,780
um and I just know firsthand uh I mean I

2775
02:12:08,870 --> 02:12:06,060
mean firsthand that they're interested

2776
02:12:11,930 --> 02:12:08,880
in the subject I I know it as a fact

2777
02:12:13,129 --> 02:12:11,940
they know who I am and it's uh it's a

2778
02:12:15,470 --> 02:12:13,139
strange thing we'll talk about that off

2779
02:12:17,810 --> 02:12:15,480
of the air let's get back to

2780
02:12:20,750 --> 02:12:17,820
um when you say you know I worked uh

2781
02:12:24,350 --> 02:12:20,760
with these guys was there a conversation

2782
02:12:25,970 --> 02:12:24,360
about UFOs uh in and around the offices

2783
02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:25,980
of the NSA

2784
02:12:31,970 --> 02:12:29,280
um this is what I'll say about that is

2785
02:12:35,450 --> 02:12:31,980
the answer is yes

2786
02:12:37,790 --> 02:12:35,460
okay all right you know I mean because

2787
02:12:40,129 --> 02:12:37,800
yeah you're you're in

2788
02:12:41,689 --> 02:12:40,139
you're in an organization like that and

2789
02:12:44,330 --> 02:12:41,699
you know curiosity gets the best of you

2790
02:12:46,970 --> 02:12:44,340
I I did not work for a department that

2791
02:12:48,649 --> 02:12:46,980
dealt with UFOs

2792
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:48,659
um but you do a little poking around you

2793
02:12:53,870 --> 02:12:51,360
do a little asking around you know good

2794
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:53,880
when I was there at NSA the movie

2795
02:12:58,669 --> 02:12:56,880
Independence Day came out so you know

2796
02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:58,679
that kind of inspired me to do a little

2797
02:13:03,410 --> 02:13:00,719
poking around and you know you're you're

2798
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:03,420
seeing that okay there are different you

2799
02:13:08,089 --> 02:13:06,239
know departments that are looking into

2800
02:13:10,430 --> 02:13:08,099
the phenomena they want to know what's

2801
02:13:12,589 --> 02:13:10,440
going on at least I mean on Surface

2802
02:13:14,750 --> 02:13:12,599
that's that's what I could see of course

2803
02:13:16,250 --> 02:13:14,760
since I didn't have a need to know and

2804
02:13:18,050 --> 02:13:16,260
there was no business for me to get into

2805
02:13:18,770 --> 02:13:18,060
those departments

2806
02:13:21,050 --> 02:13:18,780
um

2807
02:13:22,490 --> 02:13:21,060
you know I I didn't get involved and I

2808
02:13:24,350 --> 02:13:22,500
couldn't find any more details but what

2809
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:24,360
I find interesting

2810
02:13:30,530 --> 02:13:27,360
um is you know having had my experiences

2811
02:13:32,810 --> 02:13:30,540
there is there certain

2812
02:13:36,530 --> 02:13:32,820
um you hear people talk about well you

2813
02:13:38,810 --> 02:13:36,540
know I have an Insider from NSA and uh

2814
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:38,820
you know he says that you know on the

2815
02:13:43,790 --> 02:13:41,040
seventh floor of NSA they have all of

2816
02:13:45,770 --> 02:13:43,800
this uh you know UFO research and

2817
02:13:48,649 --> 02:13:45,780
extraterrestrial technology et cetera et

2818
02:13:51,290 --> 02:13:48,659
cetera and I kind of have to laugh at a

2819
02:13:53,089 --> 02:13:51,300
you know a comment like that because

2820
02:13:55,629 --> 02:13:53,099
well for one thing if you're talking

2821
02:13:58,010 --> 02:13:55,639
about you know the NSA

2822
02:14:00,290 --> 02:13:58,020
headquarters campus Because NSA is all

2823
02:14:02,390 --> 02:14:00,300
over the place yes it is not it's not

2824
02:14:04,970 --> 02:14:02,400
just one facility but even if you're

2825
02:14:07,669 --> 02:14:04,980
just talking about the NSA headquarters

2826
02:14:09,890 --> 02:14:07,679
campus it's four main buildings and

2827
02:14:12,229 --> 02:14:09,900
three of them have a seventh floor and

2828
02:14:15,530 --> 02:14:12,239
nobody refers to it as the seventh floor

2829
02:14:16,970 --> 02:14:15,540
there is a floor the ninth floor

2830
02:14:19,310 --> 02:14:16,980
um that is referred to like that because

2831
02:14:21,169 --> 02:14:19,320
that's where a long time ago back in the

2832
02:14:23,330 --> 02:14:21,179
day that was the floor that had all the

2833
02:14:24,649 --> 02:14:23,340
the high brass on it and even when they

2834
02:14:27,229 --> 02:14:24,659
moved

2835
02:14:29,149 --> 02:14:27,239
uh their offices to one of the other

2836
02:14:30,350 --> 02:14:29,159
buildings one of the Reagan buildings

2837
02:14:31,609 --> 02:14:30,360
you know they're still called it the

2838
02:14:33,530 --> 02:14:31,619
ninth floor even though it wasn't the

2839
02:14:35,390 --> 02:14:33,540
ninth floor anymore because that was

2840
02:14:37,850 --> 02:14:35,400
that was you know the nickname for it

2841
02:14:39,950 --> 02:14:37,860
but yeah and when you talk about it

2842
02:14:41,990 --> 02:14:39,960
would be like okay seventh floor of the

2843
02:14:43,129 --> 02:14:42,000
the two-way building or something like

2844
02:14:44,689 --> 02:14:43,139
that

2845
02:14:46,310 --> 02:14:44,699
um yeah nobody would just say the

2846
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:46,320
seventh floor of NSA so it's certain

2847
02:14:50,569 --> 02:14:48,960
things like that because I was because I

2848
02:14:53,330 --> 02:14:50,579
was there that I could kind of key in on

2849
02:14:59,209 --> 02:14:53,340
what somebody's trying to tell a story

2850
02:15:02,390 --> 02:14:59,219
I I uh I'm gonna show you this

2851
02:15:04,490 --> 02:15:02,400
um when you say the NSA is all over the

2852
02:15:07,450 --> 02:15:04,500
place right

2853
02:15:09,709 --> 02:15:07,460
um I I just recently

2854
02:15:11,629 --> 02:15:09,719
was it was right down the hall for me

2855
02:15:15,050 --> 02:15:11,639
when I was stationed in Alaska I mean

2856
02:15:22,069 --> 02:15:18,709
um let me where is

2857
02:15:24,649 --> 02:15:22,079
is it here okay uh maybe I'll I'll look

2858
02:15:30,350 --> 02:15:24,659
for it during the break I was just uh at

2859
02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:36,649
um here's okay

2860
02:15:39,890 --> 02:15:37,609
okay

2861
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:39,900
that's nro

2862
02:15:49,129 --> 02:15:44,639
right yep okay and then

2863
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:49,139
hold on if as if that's not enough

2864
02:15:53,810 --> 02:15:51,599
oh hold on

2865
02:15:58,270 --> 02:15:53,820
man am I showing stuff that's going to

2866
02:16:06,649 --> 02:16:02,990
uh I can't I can't find I've got a shot

2867
02:16:09,050 --> 02:16:06,659
of the the NSA sign I did not want to

2868
02:16:11,330 --> 02:16:09,060
take a shot of the building right you

2869
02:16:13,729 --> 02:16:11,340
know what's funny about that is you know

2870
02:16:16,970 --> 02:16:13,739
when we have moments of conflict in our

2871
02:16:18,589 --> 02:16:16,980
nation they will cover up the sign you

2872
02:16:20,580 --> 02:16:18,599
know with like black Fabric or whatever

2873
02:16:21,970 --> 02:16:20,590
it the building's right there

2874
02:16:23,930 --> 02:16:21,980
[Applause]

2875
02:16:25,850 --> 02:16:23,940
you can't cover the building but we'll

2876
02:16:27,250 --> 02:16:25,860
cover the sign and pretend like the

2877
02:16:30,290 --> 02:16:27,260
building's not standing

2878
02:16:32,629 --> 02:16:30,300
uh when I when I cleared security at

2879
02:16:36,889 --> 02:16:32,639
Vandenberg I go okay man uh check this

2880
02:16:38,929 --> 02:16:36,899
out uh no photography we'll let you know

2881
02:16:42,110 --> 02:16:38,939
if you can take pictures but other than

2882
02:16:45,469 --> 02:16:42,120
that no picture I said well can I take a

2883
02:16:46,969 --> 02:16:45,479
picture with you guys here no right and

2884
02:16:49,509 --> 02:16:46,979
uh he goes you know where you can take a

2885
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,519
picture right now I said yeah

2886
02:16:54,589 --> 02:16:52,080
on all that I love this is what he said

2887
02:16:59,209 --> 02:16:54,599
outside by that tree

2888
02:17:00,889 --> 02:16:59,219
that's what he said right there and uh I

2889
02:17:03,049 --> 02:17:00,899
was like okay it's like that so I'm

2890
02:17:05,750 --> 02:17:03,059
driving around I I've got a civilian car

2891
02:17:08,270 --> 02:17:05,760
on base that doesn't happen right yeah

2892
02:17:11,169 --> 02:17:08,280
and this is a space force right and I'm

2893
02:17:14,389 --> 02:17:11,179
driving around I got my camera man right

2894
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:14,399
yep taking pictures waiting to get in

2895
02:17:19,370 --> 02:17:17,760
trouble but uh I stayed in bounds you

2896
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:19,380
know I didn't I didn't I didn't cross

2897
02:17:26,509 --> 02:17:22,559
but I was fascinated to see the level of

2898
02:17:27,650 --> 02:17:26,519
uh uh agencies and intelligence uh that

2899
02:17:28,969 --> 02:17:27,660
were right there and you just wonder

2900
02:17:31,849 --> 02:17:28,979
what's going on inside of those

2901
02:17:34,610 --> 02:17:31,859
buildings because of the conversation

2902
02:17:38,330 --> 02:17:34,620
that's going on now you know with the

2903
02:17:42,830 --> 02:17:38,340
Pentagon and uh with uh the intelligence

2904
02:17:44,810 --> 02:17:42,840
agencies and the desire for for Congress

2905
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:44,820
and the Senate uh to get information

2906
02:17:53,209 --> 02:17:48,960
from the agencies and cooperation uh

2907
02:17:56,209 --> 02:17:53,219
into uh the UAP task force uh with what

2908
02:17:59,530 --> 02:17:56,219
they know did does the NSA care about

2909
02:18:02,870 --> 02:17:59,540
that you know what I mean if if if if if

2910
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:02,880
Congress comes to them and they want uh

2911
02:18:07,730 --> 02:18:05,760
information about UFOs do they have to

2912
02:18:09,709 --> 02:18:07,740
respond do they give a crap or is that

2913
02:18:11,690 --> 02:18:09,719
something that they're just gonna like

2914
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:11,700
anything else that's a secret they're

2915
02:18:14,330 --> 02:18:13,200
just going to keep the information to

2916
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:14,340
themselves

2917
02:18:18,589 --> 02:18:17,519
yeah when it comes to Dennis Abby of

2918
02:18:20,089 --> 02:18:18,599
course it's a major part of the

2919
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:20,099
intelligence community and it has it's

2920
02:18:24,770 --> 02:18:21,840
been a long time since I've since I've

2921
02:18:27,169 --> 02:18:24,780
been there it's 25 years ago so you know

2922
02:18:30,110 --> 02:18:27,179
it I don't know how much has really

2923
02:18:31,610 --> 02:18:30,120
changed over that time but

2924
02:18:32,810 --> 02:18:31,620
you know when I was there I mean their

2925
02:18:36,830 --> 02:18:32,820
hands were in the cookie jar and

2926
02:18:39,169 --> 02:18:36,840
everything so I anything relating to

2927
02:18:40,250 --> 02:18:39,179
UFOs a conversation that's going on

2928
02:18:42,349 --> 02:18:40,260
right now with some of the other

2929
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:42,359
intelligence organizations regarding

2930
02:18:47,209 --> 02:18:44,639
that and it's it's great that you know

2931
02:18:49,730 --> 02:18:47,219
they're finally acknowledging that okay

2932
02:18:51,169 --> 02:18:49,740
you know there are some things out there

2933
02:18:54,530 --> 02:18:51,179
that we can't explain now it's been

2934
02:18:56,570 --> 02:18:54,540
going on longer since you know 2004 uh

2935
02:18:58,009 --> 02:18:56,580
so it's a little discouraging when they

2936
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:58,019
don't recognize some of the outstanding

2937
02:19:01,669 --> 02:19:00,000
cases still from from Project Blue Book

2938
02:19:03,889 --> 02:19:01,679
but they're at least acknowledging it

2939
02:19:05,629 --> 02:19:03,899
now and so I have to imagine that the

2940
02:19:08,690 --> 02:19:05,639
the NSA is keeping the rear to the

2941
02:19:10,669 --> 02:19:08,700
ground and all that yeah and uh when it

2942
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:10,679
comes to

2943
02:19:15,469 --> 02:19:12,719
um uh and I don't know if you have any

2944
02:19:19,549 --> 02:19:15,479
direct knowledge but certainly you hear

2945
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:19,559
the same things that I do and

2946
02:19:27,129 --> 02:19:21,920
when the CIA

2947
02:19:29,929 --> 02:19:27,139
or the nro or whatever right the NSA

2948
02:19:31,549 --> 02:19:29,939
Congress you know comes to them or the

2949
02:19:35,330 --> 02:19:31,559
Senate and says

2950
02:19:38,450 --> 02:19:35,340
we want you do they really care

2951
02:19:42,169 --> 02:19:38,460
do they really care about what Congress

2952
02:19:44,509 --> 02:19:42,179
is requesting here or the Senate you

2953
02:19:48,190 --> 02:19:44,519
know what I mean do they honestly it's

2954
02:19:51,230 --> 02:19:48,200
got to be above levels of of of

2955
02:19:53,389 --> 02:19:51,240
authority here where they just they're

2956
02:19:56,690 --> 02:19:53,399
going to ignore those types of requests

2957
02:19:59,450 --> 02:19:56,700
at least uh to to the level of real

2958
02:20:01,849 --> 02:19:59,460
information I mean I'll say this if

2959
02:20:07,250 --> 02:20:01,859
Congress

2960
02:20:09,349 --> 02:20:07,260
you know okay intelligence Community NSA

2961
02:20:11,810 --> 02:20:09,359
whichever organization

2962
02:20:13,250 --> 02:20:11,820
um you are allowed to do this and you're

2963
02:20:15,050 --> 02:20:13,260
not allowed to do that

2964
02:20:16,190 --> 02:20:15,060
they don't care yeah they're going to do

2965
02:20:18,889 --> 02:20:16,200
what they're going to do what they want

2966
02:20:22,010 --> 02:20:18,899
right right right right right right I'm

2967
02:20:22,849 --> 02:20:22,020
so fast what do you uh what do you make

2968
02:20:28,730 --> 02:20:22,859
of

2969
02:20:31,070 --> 02:20:28,740
going on I'm going to say in the last

2970
02:20:33,590 --> 02:20:31,080
two years I certainly would go back to

2971
02:20:37,370 --> 02:20:33,600
the New York Times in December of 2017

2972
02:20:39,770 --> 02:20:37,380
but uh this General conversation not

2973
02:20:43,010 --> 02:20:39,780
only out of Washington D.C and the

2974
02:20:46,429 --> 02:20:43,020
Pentagon but but also in the media and

2975
02:20:48,050 --> 02:20:46,439
uh and foyer request and and the

2976
02:20:50,210 --> 02:20:48,060
information that is coming out it's

2977
02:20:53,210 --> 02:20:50,220
never been like this historically why do

2978
02:20:55,550 --> 02:20:53,220
why do you think uh there's a sudden

2979
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:55,560
interest uh when it comes to Washington

2980
02:21:00,889 --> 02:20:58,560
DC in the UFO subject well I think it's

2981
02:21:02,210 --> 02:21:00,899
something that you can no longer ignore

2982
02:21:04,670 --> 02:21:02,220
you know there's there's too much

2983
02:21:08,270 --> 02:21:04,680
technology that's gotten into the hands

2984
02:21:11,030 --> 02:21:08,280
of the common person that can that can

2985
02:21:14,030 --> 02:21:11,040
record this phenomenon they can't ignore

2986
02:21:16,670 --> 02:21:14,040
it anymore so they have to address it

2987
02:21:18,770 --> 02:21:16,680
somehow and I think that is what we're

2988
02:21:20,450 --> 02:21:18,780
starting to see you know okay we have

2989
02:21:22,849 --> 02:21:20,460
enough people now there's enough of the

2990
02:21:25,790 --> 02:21:22,859
uh world population that has been able

2991
02:21:29,090 --> 02:21:25,800
to record that we can't debunk this any

2992
02:21:31,030 --> 02:21:29,100
longer so we will start acknowledging at

2993
02:21:35,330 --> 02:21:31,040
least the point that we can't explain it

2994
02:21:36,950 --> 02:21:35,340
and you know we'll I mean it's kind of a

2995
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:36,960
shell game you know

2996
02:21:41,630 --> 02:21:40,080
um you know we're gonna at least you

2997
02:21:43,250 --> 02:21:41,640
know give the perception of we're doing

2998
02:21:45,770 --> 02:21:43,260
this that and the other I you know

2999
02:21:47,090 --> 02:21:45,780
they've been in on it for for decades

3000
02:21:49,309 --> 02:21:47,100
right

3001
02:21:50,809 --> 02:21:49,319
um so okay we'll acknowledge something

3002
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:50,819
we'll give the public a little bit of

3003
02:21:54,530 --> 02:21:52,800
something but we still need to control

3004
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:54,540
the narrative so that's why you're

3005
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:55,200
seeing like these different

3006
02:21:59,090 --> 02:21:57,600
organizations pop up and

3007
02:22:01,309 --> 02:21:59,100
um you're seeing Congress get into it

3008
02:22:03,410 --> 02:22:01,319
because they still need to control the

3009
02:22:04,990 --> 02:22:03,420
narrative we can't deny it anymore but

3010
02:22:07,849 --> 02:22:05,000
we still need to control it

3011
02:22:11,389 --> 02:22:07,859
do you think that uh Congress and the

3012
02:22:11,950 --> 02:22:11,399
Senate are surprised that

3013
02:22:14,750 --> 02:22:11,960
um

3014
02:22:18,230 --> 02:22:14,760
they distribute the money right they

3015
02:22:20,270 --> 02:22:18,240
handle the budgets uh for for all of the

3016
02:22:23,090 --> 02:22:20,280
agencies and any uh secret Access

3017
02:22:24,710 --> 02:22:23,100
program but certainly uh with the

3018
02:22:26,330 --> 02:22:24,720
military and everything else that

3019
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:26,340
because they handle the purse strings

3020
02:22:33,170 --> 02:22:30,000
and they are supposed to uh have access

3021
02:22:35,210 --> 02:22:33,180
to what is going on they're not getting

3022
02:22:38,570 --> 02:22:35,220
the information about this subject that

3023
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:38,580
that they want and they I think that

3024
02:22:43,790 --> 02:22:41,040
they are surprised at the level of

3025
02:22:45,410 --> 02:22:43,800
stonewalling uh when it comes to the UFO

3026
02:22:47,570 --> 02:22:45,420
subject where they're not they're not

3027
02:22:50,270 --> 02:22:47,580
used to this they have access to

3028
02:22:52,250 --> 02:22:50,280
whatever that if you're on a committee

3029
02:22:54,650 --> 02:22:52,260
and you're the head of a committee and

3030
02:22:56,570 --> 02:22:54,660
you want information you can go and find

3031
02:22:58,730 --> 02:22:56,580
it and get whatever you need but it's

3032
02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:58,740
not happening with the UFO subject and I

3033
02:23:03,530 --> 02:23:00,240
think they're very surprised about that

3034
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:03,540
yeah it's pretty limited what I mean

3035
02:23:07,730 --> 02:23:05,760
when it comes to a congressman in or a

3036
02:23:09,170 --> 02:23:07,740
senator and these sorts of things

3037
02:23:11,570 --> 02:23:09,180
um you know it's still it's still

3038
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:11,580
limited as far as what they can ha

3039
02:23:15,110 --> 02:23:13,680
actually you know have access to still

3040
02:23:18,349 --> 02:23:15,120
you know is there a need to know for

3041
02:23:20,450 --> 02:23:18,359
this particular Congressman you know to

3042
02:23:21,950 --> 02:23:20,460
have that information and we see where

3043
02:23:24,530 --> 02:23:21,960
they become I mean we saw Gallagher up

3044
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:24,540
on the stand I loved his questioning uh

3045
02:23:28,370 --> 02:23:26,880
you know his line of questioning and um

3046
02:23:33,770 --> 02:23:28,380
you know Mike Gallagher from Wisconsin

3047
02:23:35,510 --> 02:23:33,780
and yeah he was great but obviously you

3048
02:23:37,610 --> 02:23:35,520
know he had the answers to some specific

3049
02:23:39,410 --> 02:23:37,620
questions and I loved how he was testing

3050
02:23:42,349 --> 02:23:39,420
the waters what did these guys actually

3051
02:23:43,730 --> 02:23:42,359
know and they had no idea and they're

3052
02:23:46,010 --> 02:23:43,740
supposed to be the representatives for

3053
02:23:48,110 --> 02:23:46,020
these these different organizations and

3054
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:48,120
so you know there was certainly

3055
02:23:53,090 --> 02:23:50,640
there's certainly stonewalling there uh

3056
02:23:56,349 --> 02:23:53,100
and some of it you could get a glimpse

3057
02:23:58,670 --> 02:23:56,359
of okay when we go to the more sensitive

3058
02:24:01,250 --> 02:23:58,680
conversation that we can't make public

3059
02:24:03,530 --> 02:24:01,260
there's some other information back

3060
02:24:06,290 --> 02:24:03,540
behind behind there and I think that was

3061
02:24:08,270 --> 02:24:06,300
surprising to uh to our to our

3062
02:24:10,790 --> 02:24:08,280
Congressman yeah they're not getting all

3063
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:10,800
the information and even when they asked

3064
02:24:14,510 --> 02:24:12,720
the more pertinent questions there's

3065
02:24:19,550 --> 02:24:14,520
there's a dance that's going on

3066
02:24:25,370 --> 02:24:19,560
yeah and uh uh with those two Moultrie

3067
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:25,380
and uh uh uh the the other guy saves me

3068
02:24:31,450 --> 02:24:29,280
but uh that either

3069
02:24:33,770 --> 02:24:31,460
they didn't know specifically

3070
02:24:36,830 --> 02:24:33,780
Gallagher's questions which were very

3071
02:24:38,450 --> 02:24:36,840
pointed uh you know name names dates

3072
02:24:40,010 --> 02:24:38,460
places you know he was very special

3073
02:24:43,550 --> 02:24:40,020
we're going to talk specifically

3074
02:24:47,630 --> 02:24:43,560
Maelstrom yeah yeah it was and to have

3075
02:24:49,490 --> 02:24:47,640
uh those two look at each other and go

3076
02:24:52,849 --> 02:24:49,500
you know anything about mountains I've

3077
02:24:55,870 --> 02:24:52,859
never never heard about that now either

3078
02:24:58,969 --> 02:24:55,880
they're lying and they know all about it

3079
02:25:00,730 --> 02:24:58,979
or they don't know about it and if they

3080
02:25:04,010 --> 02:25:00,740
don't know about it what are they doing

3081
02:25:05,330 --> 02:25:04,020
uh heading this committee yeah I think

3082
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:05,340
there are certain questions that were

3083
02:25:10,010 --> 02:25:07,680
asked uh in in which they were

3084
02:25:13,250 --> 02:25:10,020
definitely deflecting but the Maelstrom

3085
02:25:15,889 --> 02:25:13,260
question I mean unless they're extremely

3086
02:25:18,110 --> 02:25:15,899
good actors and I doubt they are they

3087
02:25:19,490 --> 02:25:18,120
they look like they had absolutely no

3088
02:25:20,990 --> 02:25:19,500
clue as to what Gallagher was talking

3089
02:25:22,849 --> 02:25:21,000
about with Maelstrom so then yeah you

3090
02:25:25,190 --> 02:25:22,859
have to ask your question why are these

3091
02:25:27,770 --> 02:25:25,200
two guys you know representing these

3092
02:25:30,530 --> 02:25:27,780
organizations if they it's a famous case

3093
02:25:32,750 --> 02:25:30,540
how do they not know about it if if this

3094
02:25:35,330 --> 02:25:32,760
is supposed to be you know their job

3095
02:25:37,130 --> 02:25:35,340
yeah that was mind-boggling yeah and

3096
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:37,140
there's a I think that there's another

3097
02:25:42,590 --> 02:25:40,800
very strong point here that isn't

3098
02:25:45,410 --> 02:25:42,600
discussed much

3099
02:25:46,969 --> 02:25:45,420
um but I think they thought that they

3100
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:46,979
were going to be able to just go in and

3101
02:25:51,590 --> 02:25:49,680
telephone it oh yeah oh yeah I believe

3102
02:25:52,969 --> 02:25:51,600
so too yeah it's just going to be a walk

3103
02:25:56,870 --> 02:25:52,979
in the park they're going to be able to

3104
02:25:59,450 --> 02:25:56,880
do a dance for 90 minutes over out done

3105
02:26:01,309 --> 02:25:59,460
I don't think that they expected these

3106
02:26:03,469 --> 02:26:01,319
specifics

3107
02:26:07,190 --> 02:26:03,479
um and and that's where they had had to

3108
02:26:10,190 --> 02:26:07,200
do the dance and also with the video the

3109
02:26:12,770 --> 02:26:10,200
video uh that was shown was unprepared

3110
02:26:14,650 --> 02:26:12,780
all right you would think yeah they

3111
02:26:17,929 --> 02:26:14,660
could even pause it in the right spot

3112
02:26:20,750 --> 02:26:17,939
Well normally uh here's the thing Mike

3113
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:20,760
if you're going to be doing that

3114
02:26:28,849 --> 02:26:26,160
you've got your uh your easels in back

3115
02:26:30,650 --> 02:26:28,859
of you you've got your posters right

3116
02:26:33,290 --> 02:26:30,660
you've got your you've got your thing

3117
02:26:35,090 --> 02:26:33,300
you're prepared and you stop and this is

3118
02:26:38,090 --> 02:26:35,100
what we're looking at here and if you

3119
02:26:39,530 --> 02:26:38,100
look over here no they they had nothing

3120
02:26:41,690 --> 02:26:39,540
they just thought that they were going

3121
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:41,700
to come in and skate through this show a

3122
02:26:47,389 --> 02:26:44,399
quick cell phone video uh you know hit

3123
02:26:49,370 --> 02:26:47,399
play and and break for lunch and and it

3124
02:26:50,570 --> 02:26:49,380
was going to be over yeah I mean didn't

3125
02:26:52,730 --> 02:26:50,580
even touch on some of the more

3126
02:26:54,349 --> 02:26:52,740
significant sightings take one okay we

3127
02:26:57,230 --> 02:26:54,359
can explain this one away and the other

3128
02:26:58,969 --> 02:26:57,240
one goes by so fast that it's gonna

3129
02:27:00,650 --> 02:26:58,979
cause doubt to anybody who watches as

3130
02:27:02,570 --> 02:27:00,660
things you know Zip by real quick it's

3131
02:27:04,490 --> 02:27:02,580
like a little dot there it goes but

3132
02:27:06,710 --> 02:27:04,500
there's so many more compelling videos

3133
02:27:08,330 --> 02:27:06,720
out there why do they choose these two

3134
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:08,340
you know like you said because they can

3135
02:27:11,090 --> 02:27:10,080
just kind of shoot away yeah we're done

3136
02:27:13,490 --> 02:27:11,100
we'll just dance it around it and

3137
02:27:14,990 --> 02:27:13,500
that'll be it you know I I know it's

3138
02:27:19,849 --> 02:27:15,000
Halloween but I want to stay on the

3139
02:27:24,230 --> 02:27:19,859
subject yeah um I think uh we well right

3140
02:27:27,410 --> 02:27:24,240
now we're today's the 19th of October we

3141
02:27:29,870 --> 02:27:27,420
were promised a few things that were

3142
02:27:33,230 --> 02:27:29,880
supposed to happen in 2022 we were

3143
02:27:36,349 --> 02:27:33,240
promised two reports a public report at

3144
02:27:40,190 --> 02:27:36,359
six months at the end of the year uh the

3145
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:40,200
classified report uh was so so that we

3146
02:27:45,290 --> 02:27:41,760
still have timing on that but we never

3147
02:27:47,510 --> 02:27:45,300
got uh the six-month uh report another

3148
02:27:50,330 --> 02:27:47,520
you know the update to the UAP task

3149
02:27:52,730 --> 02:27:50,340
force report never got that and there

3150
02:27:55,849 --> 02:27:52,740
was supposed to be another hearing

3151
02:27:59,330 --> 02:27:55,859
um in in 2022 do you expect any of this

3152
02:28:01,730 --> 02:27:59,340
uh to happen uh this late into the year

3153
02:28:07,450 --> 02:28:01,740
um I don't I mean we're the government

3154
02:28:09,230 --> 02:28:07,460
likes to uh delay a lot so they might

3155
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:09,240
honestly they probably won't even give

3156
02:28:13,429 --> 02:28:12,000
us an excuse but I think they might they

3157
02:28:14,929 --> 02:28:13,439
might give us some sort of excuse but

3158
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:14,939
they'll probably delay it till sometime

3159
02:28:20,570 --> 02:28:18,000
next year is there uh an expectation

3160
02:28:23,150 --> 02:28:20,580
with you that once we got the first

3161
02:28:25,849 --> 02:28:23,160
hearing out of the way tested the waters

3162
02:28:29,210 --> 02:28:25,859
got some subjects uh put out there like

3163
02:28:32,210 --> 02:28:29,220
uh the Admiral uh Wilson Eric Davis

3164
02:28:35,330 --> 02:28:32,220
document got put in it did yeah yeah

3165
02:28:39,230 --> 02:28:35,340
that got put into the public record that

3166
02:28:41,630 --> 02:28:39,240
now the ground work has been laid and

3167
02:28:43,429 --> 02:28:41,640
that the next hearing will be taken to

3168
02:28:45,290 --> 02:28:43,439
another level

3169
02:28:47,030 --> 02:28:45,300
yeah I think

3170
02:28:50,210 --> 02:28:47,040
um you know one of the reasons for the

3171
02:28:52,429 --> 02:28:50,220
delay is I think the uh

3172
02:28:53,870 --> 02:28:52,439
the the government that's behind this

3173
02:28:55,010 --> 02:28:53,880
not the not the government that's up

3174
02:28:56,929 --> 02:28:55,020
there asking questions but the

3175
02:28:59,630 --> 02:28:56,939
government that's behind

3176
02:29:01,309 --> 02:28:59,640
um all the secrecy is probably looking

3177
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:01,319
at it now okay these guys are a little

3178
02:29:05,090 --> 02:29:02,880
smarter than we gave them credit for

3179
02:29:07,370 --> 02:29:05,100
they're actually asking some you know

3180
02:29:10,190 --> 02:29:07,380
some tougher questions so what's our

3181
02:29:11,690 --> 02:29:10,200
strategy going forward so I I think

3182
02:29:13,250 --> 02:29:11,700
there's a lot of uh additional

3183
02:29:16,130 --> 02:29:13,260
preparation that's going on behind the

3184
02:29:20,030 --> 02:29:16,140
scenes yeah I I I think you're right

3185
02:29:22,910 --> 02:29:20,040
about that I think they were not uh when

3186
02:29:25,550 --> 02:29:22,920
uh the chairman of the committee uh from

3187
02:29:28,370 --> 02:29:25,560
Indiana when he started off the hearing

3188
02:29:31,490 --> 02:29:28,380
and he said UFO

3189
02:29:33,969 --> 02:29:31,500
right he didn't say UAP he said yes the

3190
02:29:38,389 --> 02:29:33,979
first UFO hearing and and

3191
02:29:41,389 --> 02:29:38,399
UFO and he stressed that now he he went

3192
02:29:45,710 --> 02:29:41,399
on and and mentioned UAP but clearly

3193
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:45,720
from the get-go he said UFO and with the

3194
02:29:49,790 --> 02:29:47,520
other line of questioning that started

3195
02:29:52,370 --> 02:29:49,800
to develop with the other uh members of

3196
02:29:55,550 --> 02:29:52,380
the this is a subcommittee

3197
02:29:58,730 --> 02:29:55,560
um uh going directly at E.T the subject

3198
02:30:02,150 --> 02:29:58,740
of VT and UFOs and the clear definition

3199
02:30:04,910 --> 02:30:02,160
of what a UFO is and what the public uh

3200
02:30:08,210 --> 02:30:04,920
understands UFOs to be that's what that

3201
02:30:10,309 --> 02:30:08,220
hearing was about and those two Bray

3202
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:10,319
that was his name Bray brain right right

3203
02:30:16,969 --> 02:30:13,280
all three they wanted to talk about

3204
02:30:19,070 --> 02:30:16,979
foreign Technologies right yeah there

3205
02:30:20,990 --> 02:30:19,080
was a lot of steering back to foreign

3206
02:30:23,510 --> 02:30:21,000
Technologies it was it was like they

3207
02:30:25,130 --> 02:30:23,520
wanted whatever uh

3208
02:30:28,730 --> 02:30:25,140
you know whatever wherever the

3209
02:30:29,990 --> 02:30:28,740
conversation went on some UAP or UFO

3210
02:30:31,550 --> 02:30:30,000
setting or what have you they wanted to

3211
02:30:33,230 --> 02:30:31,560
steer it back to well we want to make

3212
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:33,240
sure you know it's not some sort of

3213
02:30:38,270 --> 02:30:36,000
foreign technology yeah absolutely and

3214
02:30:40,429 --> 02:30:38,280
and so I think they wanted to give the

3215
02:30:41,929 --> 02:30:40,439
public the idea that well we're not

3216
02:30:44,990 --> 02:30:41,939
really talking about

3217
02:30:47,870 --> 02:30:45,000
know UFOs or anything like that we're

3218
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:47,880
we're talking about you know foreign

3219
02:30:51,530 --> 02:30:49,680
adversaries to and that actually almost

3220
02:30:53,330 --> 02:30:51,540
strikes fear in a person like oh my gosh

3221
02:30:55,250 --> 02:30:53,340
are you know these things that we've

3222
02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:55,260
seen over our skies here in America

3223
02:30:59,150 --> 02:30:57,359
actually a foreign adversary could they

3224
02:31:02,389 --> 02:30:59,160
be attacking that that puts a you know

3225
02:31:04,309 --> 02:31:02,399
fear into the common person so it yeah

3226
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:04,319
it seemed like they were steering it

3227
02:31:09,710 --> 02:31:08,399
down that road and but credit to uh the

3228
02:31:11,870 --> 02:31:09,720
congressman on the penalty kept pulling

3229
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:11,880
it back to the real conversation yeah it

3230
02:31:17,210 --> 02:31:14,160
kept staring it back I remember

3231
02:31:19,910 --> 02:31:17,220
um uh one of the uh one of the

3232
02:31:23,230 --> 02:31:19,920
congressmen when he said well okay now

3233
02:31:26,270 --> 02:31:23,240
but what about E.T right yeah

3234
02:31:28,730 --> 02:31:26,280
you know you know Kevin and and they

3235
02:31:31,370 --> 02:31:28,740
they did the the dance and he goes okay

3236
02:31:33,950 --> 02:31:31,380
but are we gonna discuss that in the

3237
02:31:36,290 --> 02:31:33,960
classified briefing right right this

3238
02:31:38,690 --> 02:31:36,300
afternoon are we going to talk about E.T

3239
02:31:39,889 --> 02:31:38,700
then I thought that was that was that

3240
02:31:43,490 --> 02:31:39,899
was interesting and they acknowledged

3241
02:31:45,830 --> 02:31:43,500
that they would yes it was very very

3242
02:31:48,530 --> 02:31:45,840
interesting Mike I want to thank you so

3243
02:31:51,410 --> 02:31:48,540
much what a great conversation tonight

3244
02:31:53,929 --> 02:31:51,420
um now you're on Friday nights uh what

3245
02:31:56,870 --> 02:31:53,939
Fade to Black is not on uh Friday nights

3246
02:32:00,110 --> 02:31:56,880
but you're uh your Friday nights uh

3247
02:32:01,270 --> 02:32:00,120
Friday nights 11 p.m Eastern on on the X

3248
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:01,280
yeah

3249
02:32:05,809 --> 02:32:04,080
and uh what's your favorite subject to

3250
02:32:09,410 --> 02:32:05,819
cover

3251
02:32:10,610 --> 02:32:09,420
oh my gosh uh well connecting yeah it's

3252
02:32:14,210 --> 02:32:10,620
funny because connecting Universe we

3253
02:32:16,849 --> 02:32:14,220
cover it all right so uh and really

3254
02:32:18,590 --> 02:32:16,859
in different phases of my life I've

3255
02:32:20,389 --> 02:32:18,600
taken like a bigger interest in some

3256
02:32:22,969 --> 02:32:20,399
areas so you know the Paranormal was

3257
02:32:24,830 --> 02:32:22,979
huge for a while with my research but

3258
02:32:26,809 --> 02:32:24,840
really that's like the tip of the

3259
02:32:28,610 --> 02:32:26,819
iceberg and so I have found myself more

3260
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:28,620
into

3261
02:32:31,969 --> 02:32:30,479
um you know the the esoteric side of

3262
02:32:34,309 --> 02:32:31,979
things let's get into ancient Egypt

3263
02:32:35,990 --> 02:32:34,319
let's investigate the Stargates Let's uh

3264
02:32:37,969 --> 02:32:36,000
try to figure out what you know portal

3265
02:32:40,250 --> 02:32:37,979
technology was and how the Ancients were

3266
02:32:41,809 --> 02:32:40,260
able to do these different things so

3267
02:32:44,690 --> 02:32:41,819
um you know what what's hidden in

3268
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:44,700
Antarctica uh this is it a

3269
02:32:48,170 --> 02:32:45,840
um you know is there anti-gravity

3270
02:32:50,570 --> 02:32:48,180
technology there that the ancient that

3271
02:32:52,370 --> 02:32:50,580
maybe has been hidden by the Ancients

3272
02:32:54,710 --> 02:32:52,380
you know things like that um I'm really

3273
02:32:57,050 --> 02:32:54,720
fascinated in yeah it's it's really

3274
02:32:58,490 --> 02:32:57,060
funny for me uh that you mentioned that

3275
02:33:00,170 --> 02:32:58,500
because

3276
02:33:02,750 --> 02:33:00,180
um as I go through this it doesn't

3277
02:33:04,370 --> 02:33:02,760
matter if it's ancient Egypt or ghost or

3278
02:33:06,889 --> 02:33:04,380
or UFOs

3279
02:33:08,990 --> 02:33:06,899
everything keeps coming back to the

3280
02:33:10,910 --> 02:33:09,000
science for me it just goes right back

3281
02:33:15,410 --> 02:33:10,920
to the physics and the research that is

3282
02:33:19,070 --> 02:33:15,420
going on and the more that uh that

3283
02:33:22,670 --> 02:33:19,080
Orthodox uh Academia keeps pushing these

3284
02:33:25,010 --> 02:33:22,680
issues I see that it's it's like a

3285
02:33:27,530 --> 02:33:25,020
head-on train Collision uh that's about

3286
02:33:31,130 --> 02:33:27,540
to happen the the same things that

3287
02:33:33,710 --> 02:33:31,140
they're trying to uh uh make us

3288
02:33:36,830 --> 02:33:33,720
understand whether it's the Multiverse

3289
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:36,840
or entanglement uh dimensions and and

3290
02:33:41,450 --> 02:33:38,880
all of this it's exactly what this

3291
02:33:44,990 --> 02:33:41,460
community uh has been talking about for

3292
02:33:48,290 --> 02:33:45,000
a very long time four thousands of years

3293
02:33:50,510 --> 02:33:48,300
thousands of years yeah absolutely

3294
02:33:52,790 --> 02:33:50,520
um yeah it's you know it's funny you see

3295
02:33:55,610 --> 02:33:52,800
some article come out talking about well

3296
02:33:57,530 --> 02:33:55,620
you know scientists believe now that the

3297
02:33:59,929 --> 02:33:57,540
you know Consciousness goes off into the

3298
02:34:01,190 --> 02:33:59,939
cosmos after death it's like come on

3299
02:34:04,130 --> 02:34:01,200
Ancient religion's been talking about

3300
02:34:06,410 --> 02:34:04,140
that for thousands of years or like the

3301
02:34:07,790 --> 02:34:06,420
Earth has a Consciousness it's yeah you

3302
02:34:09,230 --> 02:34:07,800
know again you know we've been talking

3303
02:34:11,210 --> 02:34:09,240
about this for thousands of years and

3304
02:34:15,230 --> 02:34:11,220
science is finally now acknowledging it

3305
02:34:17,630 --> 02:34:15,240
so yeah and Brian Greene's uh new book

3306
02:34:20,330 --> 02:34:17,640
race I know we're up against a break but

3307
02:34:23,090 --> 02:34:20,340
uh we're we're gonna keep this going I

3308
02:34:26,570 --> 02:34:23,100
can't stop in the middle of this and and

3309
02:34:27,849 --> 02:34:26,580
and uh Brian Greene's latest book now he

3310
02:34:32,809 --> 02:34:27,859
talks about

3311
02:34:36,469 --> 02:34:32,819
uh uh the extension of time to the to

3312
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:36,479
the end right okay where we are now 13

3313
02:34:41,510 --> 02:34:38,880
billion years into this where are we

3314
02:34:43,610 --> 02:34:41,520
going to be you know 100 trillion years

3315
02:34:46,429 --> 02:34:43,620
in the future what's going on and he

3316
02:34:51,050 --> 02:34:46,439
breaks it down you know and uh moving

3317
02:34:54,650 --> 02:34:51,060
forward and how he ends everything right

3318
02:34:59,690 --> 02:34:54,660
the end of everything is that ever what

3319
02:35:02,889 --> 02:34:59,700
you just said that thinking and thought

3320
02:35:07,610 --> 02:35:02,899
will be the last thing

3321
02:35:09,830 --> 02:35:07,620
just bundles of energy of thought it's

3322
02:35:12,410 --> 02:35:09,840
pure Consciousness pure Consciousness

3323
02:35:15,349 --> 02:35:12,420
drifting around the universe you know

3324
02:35:16,510 --> 02:35:15,359
sons of longer planets have you know

3325
02:35:19,730 --> 02:35:16,520
they're

3326
02:35:21,650 --> 02:35:19,740
particles have come apart gravity is

3327
02:35:23,090 --> 02:35:21,660
done you know there's there's nothing

3328
02:35:25,010 --> 02:35:23,100
left

3329
02:35:28,870 --> 02:35:25,020
except for thought

3330
02:35:31,610 --> 02:35:28,880
and think it's it's like

3331
02:35:34,190 --> 02:35:31,620
you you won't talk about Consciousness

3332
02:35:36,650 --> 02:35:34,200
right you won't discuss Consciousness

3333
02:35:38,809 --> 02:35:36,660
there's a line in the sand you don't

3334
02:35:41,870 --> 02:35:38,819
want to go there but you'll have a

3335
02:35:45,110 --> 02:35:41,880
chapter in your book discussing the last

3336
02:35:48,050 --> 02:35:45,120
thing that there will be in the vastness

3337
02:35:51,349 --> 02:35:48,060
of space is thought it's thought which

3338
02:35:53,389 --> 02:35:51,359
is consciousness yeah go figure that I

3339
02:35:55,370 --> 02:35:53,399
love it hey Mike thank you so much my

3340
02:35:57,710 --> 02:35:55,380
friend everybody check out Mike's show

3341
02:35:59,270 --> 02:35:57,720
uh connecting the it's connecting the

3342
02:36:00,830 --> 02:35:59,280
universe connecting the universe yes yes

3343
02:36:03,530 --> 02:36:00,840
connecting the universe Friday nights

3344
02:36:05,389 --> 02:36:03,540
right here on kunx Mike Rick sucker

3345
02:36:07,550 --> 02:36:05,399
thank you so much man thank you my

3346
02:36:10,130 --> 02:36:07,560
friend thanks Jim I appreciate it great

3347
02:36:12,710 --> 02:36:10,140
show tonight great conversation and I'll

3348
02:36:15,710 --> 02:36:12,720
be right back after this short break and

3349
02:36:18,170 --> 02:36:15,720
let's open up the phone lines all right

3350
02:36:20,330 --> 02:36:18,180
see what you have to say I know you guys

3351
02:36:22,550 --> 02:36:20,340
want to talk about Egypt I'll talk about

3352
02:36:24,469 --> 02:36:22,560
that all right

3353
02:36:25,849 --> 02:36:24,479
I'm your old City Church this is Fade to

3354
02:36:27,810 --> 02:36:25,859
Black I'll be right back after the short

3355
02:36:42,790 --> 02:36:27,820
break stay with us

3356
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:42,800
[Music]

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3456
02:41:42,830 --> 02:41:41,330
all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

3457
02:41:45,010 --> 02:41:42,840
am your host Jimmy church I want to

3458
02:41:48,410 --> 02:41:45,020
thank Mike rig sucker

3459
02:41:51,889 --> 02:41:48,420
amazing amazing conversation and it's

3460
02:41:53,690 --> 02:41:51,899
such a his research and and his

3461
02:41:56,510 --> 02:41:53,700
knowledge it's just amazing what a great

3462
02:42:01,510 --> 02:41:56,520
conversation night two of our Halloween

3463
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:06,190
818-921-6929 or

3464
02:42:13,030 --> 02:42:08,570
323-275-9695 talked about everything

3465
02:42:15,710 --> 02:42:13,040
tonight uh ghosts the Paranormal

3466
02:42:17,650 --> 02:42:15,720
Supernatural Slenderman

3467
02:42:21,590 --> 02:42:17,660
shadow figures

3468
02:42:25,010 --> 02:42:21,600
of course the subject of UFOs and we got

3469
02:42:27,230 --> 02:42:25,020
some Egypt uh in there too as well

3470
02:42:30,050 --> 02:42:27,240
um there's so much to unpack and so

3471
02:42:32,770 --> 02:42:30,060
anyway the phone lines are open uh right

3472
02:42:36,849 --> 02:42:32,780
now wide open uh

3473
02:42:43,490 --> 02:42:40,730
323-275-9695 earlier tonight

3474
02:42:45,130 --> 02:42:43,500
uh when I was talking about we don't

3475
02:42:48,770 --> 02:42:45,140
know nothing

3476
02:42:50,750 --> 02:42:48,780
and uh towards uh the end of uh the

3477
02:42:52,910 --> 02:42:50,760
conversation tonight uh with Mike

3478
02:42:56,150 --> 02:42:52,920
started to talk about you know physics

3479
02:42:59,389 --> 02:42:56,160
and and the connection of everything

3480
02:43:02,210 --> 02:42:59,399
and and you know Egypt once again is

3481
02:43:03,950 --> 02:43:02,220
brought up and

3482
02:43:09,110 --> 02:43:03,960
um I can't

3483
02:43:11,750 --> 02:43:09,120
I can't let this uh it hasn't escaped my

3484
02:43:13,790 --> 02:43:11,760
mind yet in that

3485
02:43:16,250 --> 02:43:13,800
um with all of the research that I've

3486
02:43:19,670 --> 02:43:16,260
done uh into Egypt over the years I've

3487
02:43:22,429 --> 02:43:19,680
done presentations I've done uh shows on

3488
02:43:27,770 --> 02:43:22,439
on the pyramids and and everything else

3489
02:43:30,469 --> 02:43:27,780
uh I've done this a lot and when you uh

3490
02:43:32,330 --> 02:43:30,479
when you do as much research as as I

3491
02:43:35,450 --> 02:43:32,340
have done

3492
02:43:36,830 --> 02:43:35,460
um you constantly go back and and think

3493
02:43:39,830 --> 02:43:36,840
about wait a minute

3494
02:43:43,010 --> 02:43:39,840
if uh Egypt not only Egypt but ancient

3495
02:43:47,750 --> 02:43:43,020
Sumer too as well in Mesopotamia but uh

3496
02:43:49,550 --> 02:43:47,760
got that far Advanced and and and got to

3497
02:43:52,450 --> 02:43:49,560
where they were

3498
02:43:55,309 --> 02:43:52,460
what happened

3499
02:44:00,429 --> 02:43:55,319
why if if

3500
02:44:06,650 --> 02:44:03,490
we should have flown to the Moon

3501
02:44:09,410 --> 02:44:06,660
by 500 BC

3502
02:44:12,469 --> 02:44:09,420
and I'm not exaggerating about this

3503
02:44:16,969 --> 02:44:12,479
because right after that

3504
02:44:20,389 --> 02:44:16,979
um you know going into uh 485 you know

3505
02:44:23,809 --> 02:44:20,399
Rome Falls you know they pull out of uh

3506
02:44:27,770 --> 02:44:23,819
uh Great Britain Retreat come back and

3507
02:44:29,090 --> 02:44:27,780
all of that ended and we fell into the

3508
02:44:31,610 --> 02:44:29,100
Dark Ages

3509
02:44:34,610 --> 02:44:31,620
where we've got three four five six

3510
02:44:37,730 --> 02:44:34,620
hundred years of of missing history

3511
02:44:39,010 --> 02:44:37,740
and nothing documented people forgot how

3512
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:39,020
to write

3513
02:44:46,910 --> 02:44:43,200
uh you know the the only historians

3514
02:44:49,969 --> 02:44:46,920
going through uh that entire period uh

3515
02:44:52,910 --> 02:44:49,979
were priests and and the you know they

3516
02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:52,920
they knew how to read and write

3517
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:56,880
and uh but that the real part of him it

3518
02:45:02,330 --> 02:44:59,040
was it was just like gone

3519
02:45:04,130 --> 02:45:02,340
everything just went dumb and we called

3520
02:45:07,849 --> 02:45:04,140
it the dark ages for a lot of different

3521
02:45:12,010 --> 02:45:07,859
reasons and and when you back up from

3522
02:45:15,590 --> 02:45:12,020
that where we just had Amnesia and

3523
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:15,600
suddenly everything stopped and if you

3524
02:45:22,010 --> 02:45:19,920
back up 2 000 years before that

3525
02:45:24,050 --> 02:45:22,020
two thousand years

3526
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:24,060
everything was figured out and I'm

3527
02:45:28,990 --> 02:45:27,600
talking about 1500 BC 2000 BC everything

3528
02:45:32,929 --> 02:45:29,000
was figured out

3529
02:45:35,150 --> 02:45:32,939
and why if if things would have

3530
02:45:39,309 --> 02:45:35,160
continued to march on and I'm talking

3531
02:45:42,670 --> 02:45:39,319
about the math uh you know science is uh

3532
02:45:47,870 --> 02:45:42,680
social uh government

3533
02:45:50,990 --> 02:45:47,880
democracies uh uh uh education uh of

3534
02:45:52,190 --> 02:45:51,000
alchemy and everything that was

3535
02:45:55,130 --> 02:45:52,200
happening

3536
02:45:58,190 --> 02:45:55,140
it just stopped

3537
02:46:02,290 --> 02:45:58,200
and you go to Egypt

3538
02:46:07,370 --> 02:46:02,300
and you look around and you see

3539
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:07,380
the the construction the knowledge the

3540
02:46:14,330 --> 02:46:11,040
languages the organization

3541
02:46:19,250 --> 02:46:14,340
um the vastness of it all it's not one

3542
02:46:21,590 --> 02:46:19,260
Temple it's not that no they are

3543
02:46:25,190 --> 02:46:21,600
everywhere the temples are everywhere

3544
02:46:28,690 --> 02:46:25,200
the pyramids are everywhere and you see

3545
02:46:33,309 --> 02:46:28,700
this this organized culture

3546
02:46:35,750 --> 02:46:33,319
established upright you know and and

3547
02:46:40,550 --> 02:46:35,760
what happened

3548
02:46:43,070 --> 02:46:40,560
it's it's it's mind-blowing to me and we

3549
02:46:45,469 --> 02:46:43,080
we move all the way up to today when I

3550
02:46:51,110 --> 02:46:45,479
say that we don't know nothing that's

3551
02:46:53,690 --> 02:46:51,120
the fascinating part is that we we know

3552
02:46:57,830 --> 02:46:53,700
some stuff today but we don't know the

3553
02:47:01,250 --> 02:46:57,840
basics and to me when you go and you see

3554
02:47:06,170 --> 02:47:01,260
a culture uh that was established like

3555
02:47:08,090 --> 02:47:06,180
Egypt they had it figured out

3556
02:47:12,349 --> 02:47:08,100
they truly did

3557
02:47:16,130 --> 02:47:12,359
they had it figured out to have

3558
02:47:20,270 --> 02:47:16,140
um uh something going on

3559
02:47:22,370 --> 02:47:20,280
5 000 years ago now it could be much

3560
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:22,380
older than that it could be 20 000 years

3561
02:47:27,050 --> 02:47:24,240
old I don't know

3562
02:47:29,990 --> 02:47:27,060
okay but if we just go with the

3563
02:47:33,410 --> 02:47:30,000
established numbers that are presented

3564
02:47:39,770 --> 02:47:33,420
to us today we're talking about 5

3565
02:47:42,770 --> 02:47:39,780
000 years ago and everything was running

3566
02:47:44,750 --> 02:47:42,780
and you can't escape this you you go and

3567
02:47:47,270 --> 02:47:44,760
you see it for yourself now I'm not

3568
02:47:49,610 --> 02:47:47,280
joking so much has been said about the

3569
02:47:52,510 --> 02:47:49,620
Great Pyramid I've done so many shows

3570
02:47:56,630 --> 02:47:52,520
and I've done so much research

3571
02:47:58,670 --> 02:47:56,640
you walk into the grand gallery

3572
02:48:00,710 --> 02:47:58,680
and you look at that

3573
02:48:05,389 --> 02:48:00,720
and you're looking at something that is

3574
02:48:07,730 --> 02:48:05,399
allegedly 5 000 years old five thousand

3575
02:48:09,830 --> 02:48:07,740
years old and you're looking at this

3576
02:48:12,530 --> 02:48:09,840
you're like how

3577
02:48:14,090 --> 02:48:12,540
how is this possible well it was

3578
02:48:15,530 --> 02:48:14,100
possible because they had it all figured

3579
02:48:20,990 --> 02:48:15,540
out

3580
02:48:22,849 --> 02:48:21,000
engineering astronomy

3581
02:48:26,090 --> 02:48:22,859
math

3582
02:48:28,490 --> 02:48:26,100
physics knowledge

3583
02:48:32,030 --> 02:48:28,500
they had it all figured out there's no

3584
02:48:40,849 --> 02:48:34,730
there's no way that that happens without

3585
02:48:40,859 --> 02:48:46,210
I'm losing my voice

3586
02:48:52,429 --> 02:48:49,610
I have done so much talking

3587
02:48:58,849 --> 02:48:52,439
over the last uh two or three weeks and

3588
02:49:04,490 --> 02:49:01,070
it's going

3589
02:49:07,450 --> 02:49:04,500
it's gonna disappear okay uh let's take

3590
02:49:14,809 --> 02:49:07,460
a phone call so I can save my voice

3591
02:49:22,070 --> 02:49:17,510
let's go if not I'll just end the show

3592
02:49:26,870 --> 02:49:24,170
because I've got no voice

3593
02:49:30,950 --> 02:49:26,880
so uh I'll do a countdown let's see if I

3594
02:49:36,469 --> 02:49:34,250
yeah hot tea I'm going to uh take a

3595
02:49:38,030 --> 02:49:36,479
break and and go make some hot tea with

3596
02:49:40,370 --> 02:49:38,040
lemon

3597
02:49:42,889 --> 02:49:40,380
I'm losing my voice

3598
02:49:46,190 --> 02:49:42,899
um so I'm gonna go ahead and wrap race

3599
02:49:49,429 --> 02:49:46,200
run some commercials uh do something but

3600
02:49:52,910 --> 02:49:49,439
uh I don't think I can make it I don't

3601
02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:52,920
think it's possible I tried

3602
02:49:56,870 --> 02:49:55,200
I tried I gotta say my voice for

3603
02:50:00,530 --> 02:49:56,880
tomorrow night it's fader night it's

3604
02:50:03,710 --> 02:50:00,540
open lines all night long I want to

3605
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:05,090
I'm not going to make it through the

3606
02:50:09,650 --> 02:50:07,200
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02:50:11,990 --> 02:50:09,660
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3608
02:50:13,969 --> 02:50:12,000
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3610
02:50:19,670 --> 02:50:17,120
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3611
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:19,680
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02:50:28,370 --> 02:50:26,220
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02:50:36,590 --> 02:50:35,040
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3620
02:50:38,389 --> 02:50:36,600
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3621
02:50:44,380 --> 02:50:38,399
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3622
02:51:13,309 --> 02:50:55,110
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3623
02:51:13,319 --> 02:51:17,840
thank you